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Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
reply to post by Philippines
The best way I've found to describe TOR and encrypted proxy networks like that, is this. If you've seen Babylon 5 the TV show or another space show with Hyperspace depicted, it's an easy visualization.
You can see someone enter. You can see someone exit. There is virtually no way possible to connect the enter to the exit and know who is who on their way out. You're clean out the other end with no back trail. That's if you use TOR to surf the open net. Within the network itself? It's all 'hyperspace'. No trail in. No trail out and no connecting lines, inside. All encrypted. You've seen the hacker movies that show a signal bouncing through 10 different nations before arriving? That, literally, is the topography of the TOR network and how it functions. It's also why it takes seconds to half a minute or more to load one basic page from a site.
Unless the browser itself is compromised ...as has happened, by the sound of it, then the ISP can watch your computer enter and that's all they ever see but encrypted gibberish the whole time. TOR is what kept some Iranian and other nation's activists alive during their uprisings, for instance. So, people literally bet their lives on the security.
I think that someone in the N.S.A. somehow made a deal with or infiltrated the TOR browser a long time ago, that is what I was reading from some Snowden documents. In fact, people using TOR were tagged to have their records kept for longer periods of time.
And the second and MAIN point I would like to make, In YO FACE to all the fools hailing bitcoin as some kind of renaissance and future of currency. I cannot for the life of me ever understand why anyone would have put in any faith in a virtual currency that had no kind of stability to begin with.
Originally posted by VoidHawk
I tried tor a while back as a way of getting around the "This video is blocked to your country" message on some youtube vids.
Me thinks I'll be doing some serious scanning of my drives.
ETA: Just read it again, de-anonymize, Nothing for me to worry about.edit on 4-8-2013 by VoidHawk because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Hefficide
Where people run into trouble is when they use TOR and start Googling "Hidden Wiki".
Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
reply to post by PhoenixOD
Whoa.... This is a shock. Freedom Hosting, eh? They estimate only half of the Onion world? I'm going to guess it's considerably higher than 50% by this. WOW.... I'll bet the FBI got logs and data that shocked even those guys into cold silence. I can only imagine ...as they started matching IP's to hosts and specific origins ...just what they found.
How many out of Government agencies? Which ones...? How many in other walks of life no one would ever guess in a million years?? This also goes WAY beyond kiddie porn. There are serious and REAL weapons smuggling outlets down there. Basically the Black Market in every form, for every thing and in every way one can imagine. Any THING one can imagine being possible to sell, short of nuclear material (and that's probably there too..but not at the TOR level of things)
I have a feeling there are people all over the world sweating bullets tonight on this news and looking for ways to dig holes and pull them in over top of themselves. TOR was considered safe...so I have no doubt everyone with warped interests that discovered it? Ran wild in it. If the FBI doesn't play hyper-politics about who they go after? This could be the biggest thing since the 80's for major scandals to HIGH levels of power, in all directions.
That's my take.
Originally posted by OpenEars123
I use tor to download movie and tv show torrents hoping that my ISP wouldn't track it. Does this mean I should stop now?
Even though downloading movies is wrong I know, it's just for me to watch and I never upload - I don't want to be framed for sick porn!