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Man vs. Consciousness

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posted on Aug, 8 2013 @ 12:32 PM
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reply to post by Itisnowagain
 


I could ask the same of you. "man is a concept, arising in consciousness". No proof, no evidence, nothing. Are you going to give us a reason to believe you, or are you just content with letting us exercise faith in your cognitive faculties? Because I gotta be honest, I have no faith at all in that area.




posted on Aug, 8 2013 @ 12:37 PM
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Originally posted by ImaFungi
reply to post by Itisnowagain
 


Dont believe me, but dont lie to me and yourself if I am able to prove you wrong.


Are you going to prove what I write is wrong?



posted on Aug, 8 2013 @ 12:38 PM
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Oh, you must have missed the rest of my reply?

Let me know if you need me to copy and paste it into this reply for you.
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posted on Aug, 8 2013 @ 12:46 PM
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Originally posted by ImaFungi
reply to post by Itisnowagain
 


Oh, you must have missed the rest of my reply?

Let me know if you need me to copy and paste it into this reply for you.
edit on 8-8-2013 by ImaFungi because: (no reason given)

I read it. If you don't like what I write - what do you want from me?

If you want to make posts like this:

Originally posted by ImaFungi
reply to post by Itisnowagain
 


You are wrong, arising in wrongness

Then I accept that.
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posted on Aug, 8 2013 @ 01:11 PM
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Originally posted by Itisnowagain

Originally posted by ImaFungi
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Dont believe me, but dont lie to me and yourself if I am able to prove you wrong.


Are you going to prove what I write is wrong?


'"Man' is a concept arising in consciousness."

DUH. But where I claim you are wrong, is if by this statement you meant to discredit an objective existence of 'man'. If that was not your motive, then we have nothing to discuss, you pointed out something very obvious. "Concepts are created in consciousness". Man, as in, your body, exists outside of consciousness. The concept of man is secondary to the existence of man. Man exists, and then people can create concepts about man, some are opinion and some can be objective fact, "man is good!", "man is bad!" , these are concepts that would arise in consciousness but are meaningless, because they are general and objectively difficult to prove. "That man has black hair!", is a concept about man that is objectively verifiable and arises in consciousness like all though and man made concepts.

^^ This is my response to you asking if I can prove you wrong. If you read what I wrote, did I interpret your statement correctly or no? Did you mean anything besides the obvious "Man is a concept arising in consciousness" as in "Man possesses consciousness, and creates concepts about himself and other men"? What did you mean by that statement?



posted on Aug, 8 2013 @ 01:17 PM
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Originally posted by ImaFungi
You have to understand that there are no things, or nouns.



But where I claim you are wrong, is if by this statement you meant to discredit an objective existence of 'man'.



posted on Aug, 8 2013 @ 01:21 PM
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Originally posted by ImaFungi
"Man possesses consciousness, and creates concepts about himself and other men"? What did you mean by that statement?

Man is a concept that arises in consciousness.

There is only consciousness and man is an idea that consciousness has.
Man does not possess consciousness.
Man is the story consciousness spins out.



posted on Aug, 8 2013 @ 01:32 PM
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Originally posted by Itisnowagain

Originally posted by ImaFungi
"Man possesses consciousness, and creates concepts about himself and other men"? What did you mean by that statement?

Man is a concept that arises in consciousness.

There is only consciousness and man is an idea that consciousness has.
Man does not possess consciousness.
Man is the story consciousness spins out.


A man exists. A man gets knocked unconscious and falls into a coma. Does that man exist? Is that man only an idea? That I can view, and study, and poke, and interact with?

you say "Man is the story consciousness spins out"... So when I choose to do something, what am I? What is making the choice? You have a body, you are consciousness, the word Man = your body and your mind in the human package that is a male that is you. Do you think the words you use to play your games are closer to the truth, then the truth they can only attempt to describe?



posted on Aug, 8 2013 @ 01:42 PM
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Originally posted by ImaFungi

Originally posted by Itisnowagain

Originally posted by ImaFungi
"Man possesses consciousness, and creates concepts about himself and other men"? What did you mean by that statement?

Man is a concept that arises in consciousness.

There is only consciousness and man is an idea that consciousness has.
Man does not possess consciousness.
Man is the story consciousness spins out.


A man exists. A man gets knocked unconscious and falls into a coma. Does that man exist? Is that man only an idea? That I can view, and study, and poke, and interact with?

If it is in sight then it is appearing to exit. If it can be seen or heard then it is present. The present happening is reality.


you say "Man is the story consciousness spins out"... So when I choose to do something, what am I? What is making the choice?


The present happening can appear as the real belief that there is more than there is. The present is just happening and there is nothing separate to it to be able to control it.
As it says in the bible - It is done.



posted on Aug, 9 2013 @ 07:34 AM
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posted on Aug, 9 2013 @ 09:59 AM
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Truth is a perspective of the world.

Is it true?

To know how true it is, it must be looked at from many perspectives.

Those perspective are how we are conscious of the truth.



posted on Aug, 9 2013 @ 10:00 AM
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Originally posted by poet1b
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Truth is a perspective of the world.

Is it true?

To know how true it is, it must be looked at from many perspectives.

Those perspective are how we are conscious of the truth.


This moment is true.



posted on Aug, 9 2013 @ 10:05 AM
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posted on Aug, 9 2013 @ 10:55 PM
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No it is not true.
The world does not come to you and tell you what is truth. Common sense dictates one cannot think they can rely on other peoples "perspectives" to discern truth. For if there is no truth in the many perspectives what truth can be found?



posted on Aug, 10 2013 @ 02:21 PM
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My honest opinion? I think it struggles. I think the spirit is willing, but the mind is clumsy. Whoever is writing that stuff has a very slippery grasp on the geometry of reality. Every time they attempt to pin point an idea, it shifts, and so they end up with a child's rendition of a very delicate truth. They are chasing fireflies.



posted on Aug, 10 2013 @ 07:44 PM
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The world does not come to you and tell you what is truth.


Exactly, you have to seek out the truth.

You must make the effort to look for the truth, and that means collecting many perspectives.

Learning the truth is a building project that requires looking at things from many angles.

The real truth is that nobody really knows the truth, it is far more complex, for greater than our ability to understand. At best we develop a close relationship with the truth, that enables us to successfully navigate through this world.

No, we can not trust the perspectives of others. We can not trust our own perspectives, because we must always consider our degree of uncertainty.



posted on Aug, 10 2013 @ 09:04 PM
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Originally posted by poet1b
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The world does not come to you and tell you what is truth.


Exactly, you have to seek out the truth.

You must make the effort to look for the truth, and that means collecting many perspectives.

Learning the truth is a building project that requires looking at things from many angles.

The real truth is that nobody really knows the truth, it is far more complex, for greater than our ability to understand. At best we develop a close relationship with the truth, that enables us to successfully navigate through this world.

No, we can not trust the perspectives of others. We can not trust our own perspectives, because we must always consider our degree of uncertainty.


So where are you going to look for the truth if the truth is not in the world?
Within.
Where are these perspectives you will collect and why do you think they have any truth in them?
If you look for many (untrue) perspectives and look at THINGS/illusions from many angles what truth will there be in that?
Truth is simple.
When ITSNOWAGAIN tells you what is true and puts it simply you do not believe (or even test it for truth) because you have your ideas and concepts on what you believe truth is "The truth is complex" and "I will never understand" .
Why are you suggesting collecting perspectives when you say do not trust your own or others?



posted on Aug, 10 2013 @ 09:35 PM
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The truth is in the world, everywhere you look, it is just beyond your ability to comprehend, or more accurately, take it all in.

We all see pieces of the truth, some more than others, but no one can put it all together. There are just too many things going on in the simplest of things. The whole world changes every moment, and that is beyond anyone's ability to take it all in,

Once one accepts that reality, then they are on their way to a deeper understanding of the world.



posted on Aug, 10 2013 @ 11:15 PM
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I don't accept unreality as reality.
You are confusing what is real with what is impermanent.
What is changeless with what is changeful.
What is real with the unreal.
Confusing distortions with the truth.

Why are you saying you are unable to take in OR comprehend the truth?
How can reality/truth be off limits to you?

The truth is whole.
It is not in pieces as then it would not be the truth.
The whole world changes every moment, and that is not beyond anyone's ability to take it in.
So how can something changeful be real or be truth?

You will not find reality in the world or by collecting even more perspectives/concepts/ideas such as "I can't understand" .
If someone accepts a false for the truth they certainly will not gain a deeper understanding.
One either understands or one doesn't. Knows or does not know. There is no "deeper" level in ignorance.



posted on Aug, 11 2013 @ 03:43 AM
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You are not understanding what I am writing.

Reality is all that exists in this world, and it is infinite, and no one is able to comprehend everything that is out there. What is unreal is our misconceptions of the infinite world, and our misconceptions exist because we can not see everything, either the macro or the micro.

Everything is in constant motion. Knowing the complete truth is knowing how all the pieces come together, and no one knows the truth, because no one can track all of the pieces.

Recognizing ones limits, in ones ability to know everything, is critical to getting a true bead on reality.

In other words, it is just as important to understand what you don't know, as it is to understand what you do know, if you want a close relationship with the truth.


edit on 11-8-2013 by poet1b because: typo



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