Originally posted by Sharingan
reply to post by sled735
He knew their policy, he chose to challenge it and now hes facing the consequences. Seems pretty cut and dry to me
Could be. But this is an unfolding event and we've as yet to see the entirety of the consequences - there may be more and they may affect things
besides this individual's employment.
If racial minorities or women or disabled people hadn't fought injustice in the past, we wouldn't have made progress in those areas, either. And
while I'm sure most people who think it's OK this teacher was fired probably would be OK with companies firing/not hiring minorities, women or the
disabled, most people are not and support the gay movement's attempt for equality.
Couple of things to keep in mind: California has a law that employers cannot discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation. While I know people
enjoy the argument that private religious employers have, in the past, been able to be excused from laws like this, the world is a quickly-changing
place and this arrangement is full of unforeseen problems. At some point, just like with racial or gender discrimination, religion will not be
tolerated as an excuse for hatred.
The school has a significant problem in that there is abundant evidence that the teacher's sexual orientation was well-known for many years ...
without any affect on his employment status. All of the arguments that it was his fault for working at a place that doesn't like homosexuals are
severely minimized when this is taken into consideration. Is the school's issue with his sexual orientation or with his "gay" marriage? If it's
orientation, they've shot themselves in the foot for being OK with it for so many years. If it's gay marriage, again, gay marriage is legal in
California so we're back to religious organizations being allowed to modify laws for their own purposes ... which is somewhat tolerated, but, I feel,
becoming less and less okay with the general population. I couldn't quickly find evidence, but I feel certain that this institution does, in fact,
receive some sort of state education money.
Thirdly, he was, apparently, a loved faculty member with involvement in all sorts of activities, in addition to teaching. The students have rallied
around him and are actively protesting this with, for example, a petition that currently has over 15,000 signatures. This problem isn't likely to go
This leads to my fourth point: there are Catholic organizations that not only employ gay people, but actively prohibit sexual orientation
discrimination and support gay marriage and adoption! I know of one, for example, that has 25,000 employees in six states. The point is that it can
potentially become a thorny issue for one Catholic organization to use Catholic doctrine to excuse themselves from laws that protect individuals and
attempt to minimize injustice and another that does not. We can argue different states and different ways of looking at religious teachings, but we
all know that in the very near future, firing someone because they engaged in a legal transaction is not
going to be tolerated, whether it's a
religious institution or not. Just a matter of time.