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The new "Normal" in America

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posted on Aug, 6 2013 @ 05:16 PM
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The progressive liberal machine is on your side.


No it's not the fact remains no matter what vilify those evil corporations the people are always their 'victims'.

It is not true and it has never been true.




the conservatives have done everything in their power to morph the US into a military police state


Wanna try again?

Especially looking at the last 5 years in this country with progressives in charge the 'liberal' kind.




The conservatives created the debt building up the military, and the morality police with the war on drugs


That is Bull Crap the majority of that debt is from social engineering programs 2,2 trillion of current federal spending is on the welfare industrial complex.

That is a fact it is also a fact the largest expansion of government power and control come from the left.

The federal reserve, SS,Medicaid,Medicare, Free home BS, and every other corporate product there is.

The left is more culpable than the right that is a fact that can be taken to any fiat currency bank.

The creation of Frank Dodd that expanded the powers of the Federal Reserve, and the creation of the Consumer Protection Bureau came from the hands of the left.

The expansion of Spying at the current hands of the left.

Spin it how ever you want in my book the biggest fascists there is is the left with the end goal of this:



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posted on Aug, 6 2013 @ 05:20 PM
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Continued:











Tell me more about the 'police state' is the problem HELL NO it is the NANNY STATE robbing from the rich to give corporate products and fiat currency to the 'poor'.



posted on Aug, 6 2013 @ 05:30 PM
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what will happen when we stop giving to the poor? there sure as hell are not enough jobs for them all to work at unless they move to china or india. millions would starve and then we would have to make sure the ones that live stop having babies. what would your answer be? kill them all?



posted on Aug, 6 2013 @ 05:40 PM
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I would have to agree about this comment about the book.

www.amazon.com...


Finally, Spence makes the eloquent case that we, as Americans, have delivered our freedoms to new masters: corporate and governmental conglomerates, our biased court system, and the censored media. From Freedom to Slavery is an urgent work that urges us to resist this tyranny, a book that must be read and discussed by all concerned citizens of our troubled land.


Anyone who doesn't see the corporations and the bankers behind all of this is still in the dark.


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posted on Aug, 6 2013 @ 05:47 PM
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Originally posted by conspiracy nut
what will happen when we stop giving to the poor? there sure as hell are not enough jobs for them all to work at unless they move to china or india. millions would starve and then we would have to make sure the ones that live stop having babies. what would your answer be? kill them all?


While some people blame corporations the standard villian around ATS the problem is:

1. When America was king of the hill and the rest of the world was dirt poor they could have pretty much anything they wanted as long as the revenue came in now the revenue isn't coming in.

2. As the rest of the world is coming in to their own that is going to take more wealth from the US there is no getting around that.

3. America needs to be competitive once again tall order considering the current social mob thinking who are pricing themselves out of existence.

And then cry how it is someone else's fault.

That created the poor right along with those political machinations become law that has become a detriment to this country and it's future, and prosperity.

Americans want a future there needs to be a massive paradigm shift in thinking : As long as we get what we want screw someone else.

Lousy politicians.
Lousy education.
Lousy people themselves

And their selfish instant gratification needs to come to,a end the state does not exist to pay for the existence of the citizen, and give them everything their little hearts desire.

The current generation has out done itself more so than any other, leaving a legacy of this country being worse off than when they 'found' it.

Crying shame.
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posted on Aug, 6 2013 @ 06:40 PM
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Social security is not an entitlement program, and anyone who believes this lie is a complete sucker.

Neither is medicare.

Medicare and medicaid are two completely different programs, so where ever you got these charts, they are complete propaganda garage.

Here is where your tax dollars go.

www.ritholtz.com...



You ignore the elephant in the room, interest on the debt built up by borrow and spend conservatives.

The US fed gov owes SS money, and SS and medicare is the only program where people actually get something back for their money.

www.justfacts.com...-spending_taxes



But how much do we owe foreign governments for corporate slave labor practices?



Most of the fed money goes to the military to keep slave labor available for the corporations, or for medicaid, which subsidizes illegal immigration, once again to provide slave labor for the corporations.

At what time do people wake up the realities?



posted on Aug, 6 2013 @ 06:51 PM
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So you hate Americans?


And their selfish instant gratification needs to come to,a end the state does not exist to pay for the existence of the citizen, and give them everything their little hearts desire.

The current generation has out done itself more so than any other, leaving a legacy of this country being worse off than when they 'found' it.


If by "the current generation" you mean the baby boomers, then you would be completely right. A greedier generation has never existed in this country, they are the worst generation ever.

As far as people in America being lazy, they are the most productive population on that planet, and have been since the nations inception.

The problem is all the corporate scams, dotcom bubble, housing bubble, where the bankers out and out frauded the people of the U.S.. Take off your blinders.

Then there are the wars, war on terrorism, war on drugs, which are more and more becoming wars on US citizens, that were created by republican presidents.

But the truth is that these wars primarily benefit the big corporations, and not the people of the U.S..



posted on Aug, 6 2013 @ 07:01 PM
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Social security is not an entitlement program, and anyone who believes this lie is a complete sucker.


Yeah it is simple fact a person pays a TAX via payroll taxes for the time they work that is funding someone else, that 6 % a person pays doesn't cover the benefits received that is when the employer matches that at another 6 % that still doesn't cover the benefits received the difference is made up by the taxation of others.

The program was never designed to be self sustaining that is a fact even though it is a sold as a 'safety net' the average monthly paycheck is $1000 bucks the average yearly benefit is 12 grand.

Entitlement.




Medicare and medicaid are two completely different programs, so where ever you got these charts, they are complete propaganda garage.


Not hardly since anyone who is drawing social security has their medicare automatically deducted from that first government check being paid for by another, people who get more out of it than they have ever paid in.

Propaganda NO.




You ignore the elephant in the room, interest on the debt built up by borrow and spend conservatives.


The elephant in the room is the welfare industrial complex and the creation of social engineering programs that is reverse darwinism social engineering the environment to suit the individual that has lead us to 17 trillion in debt.

Again pay for you own existence instead of outsourcing that to the state.




Most of the fed money goes to the military to keep slave labor available for the corporations, or for medicaid, which subsidizes illegal immigration, once again to provide slave labor for the corporations
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That is a flat out LIE.


The American republic has endured for well over two centuries, but over the past 50 years, the apparatus of American governance has undergone a radical transformation. In some basic respects—its scale, its preoccupations, even many of its purposes—the U.S. government today would be scarcely recognizable to Franklin D. Roosevelt, much less to Abraham Lincoln or Thomas Jefferson.



n 2010 alone, government at all levels oversaw a transfer of over $2.2 trillion in money, goods and services. The burden of these entitlements came to slightly more than $7,200 for every person in America. Scaled against a notional family of four, the average entitlements burden for that year alone approached $29,000.


online.wsj.com...


Not surprisingly, Hamilton found that Medicare and Social Security represent the bulk of future U.S. debt obligations, coming in at $27.6 trillion and $26.5 trillion respectively.



www.breitbart.com...

www.usdebtclock.org...

$2.2 trillion dollars Medicare/Medicaid, and Social Secuirty ALONE that is not counting anything else.

House Hold assets @ $75 Trillion

If social engineering programs were paying for themselves there would be no debt, or any need to tax anyone else, or raise taxes on other people.

The NANNY STATE is the problem.

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posted on Aug, 6 2013 @ 07:06 PM
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So you hate Americans?


Nice strawman there





If by "the current generation" you mean the baby boomers, then you would be completely right. A greedier generation has never existed in this country, they are the worst generation ever.


Oh so you hate old people?

Two can play that little game statement of fact, and actually no they are the victims of the progressive liberals who have been lied to all their lives.




As far as people in America being lazy, they are the most productive population on that planet, and have been since the nations inception.


No they aren't 47% working parttime, 100 million on food aid, and 4 out of 5 near poverty with no work.

Productive yeah right.




The problem is all the corporate scams, dotcom bubble, housing bubble, where the bankers out and out frauded the people of the U.S.


Called that early on NO MATTER what blame them evil corporations ! ! ! !/




Then there are the wars, war on terrorism, war on drugs, which are more and more becoming wars on US citizens, that were created by republican presidents.


More fiat currency has been spent on social engineering programs than ALL of the wars to date.

Look up that unfunded liabilities the promises made that can never be paid for.

Done here because if all you got is evil corporations nonstop I have better things to do with my time.
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posted on Aug, 6 2013 @ 07:19 PM
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All the time spent on ATS will probably solve a lot of problems facing America as preaching to the choir usually saves a lot of wayward souls.

It seems that whining on the internet is the new normal rather than community involvement activism. The Tea Party had a good idea until it was coopted by the GOP.

The Libertarians are going to surprise a lot of people!! Real people with real commitment. Join us and lead, follow or get out of the way.



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posted on Aug, 6 2013 @ 08:45 PM
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Originally posted by olaru12
All the time spent on ATS will probably solve a lot of problems facing America as preaching to the choir usually saves a lot of wayward souls.

It seems that whining on the internet is the new normal rather than community involvement activism. The Tea Party had a good idea until it was coopted by the GOP.

The Libertarians are going to surprise a lot of people!! Real people with real commitment. Join us and lead, follow or get out of the way.



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I happen to agree.



posted on Aug, 6 2013 @ 08:50 PM
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The new "Normal" in America
The first rule is..."Never give up Hope".

Do you know which is the first rule of a rabbit?



posted on Aug, 6 2013 @ 09:19 PM
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Originally posted by piequal3because14
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The new "Normal" in America
The first rule is..."Never give up Hope".

Do you know which is the first rule of a rabbit?



Never give up "hop"?



posted on Aug, 6 2013 @ 09:26 PM
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Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by piequal3because14
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The new "Normal" in America
The first rule is..."Never give up Hope".

Do you know which is the first rule of a rabbit?



Never give up "hop"?
No,"The rule of 3 minutes".



posted on Aug, 6 2013 @ 09:29 PM
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Okay, I'll bite.

What's the "Rule of 3 minutes"?



posted on Aug, 6 2013 @ 09:34 PM
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Originally posted by beezzer
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Okay, I'll bite.

What's the "Rule of 3 minutes"?
The greatest pleasure known.



posted on Aug, 6 2013 @ 09:46 PM
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Yeah it is simple fact a person pays a TAX via payroll taxes for the time they work that is funding someone else, that 6 % a person pays doesn't cover the benefits received that is when the employer matches that at another 6 % that still doesn't cover the benefits received the difference is made up by the taxation of others.


Um, yepper, that is how insurance works. By the way, the employer has to make that extra 6% from the employees work, or they wouldn't be able to keep the worker employed. The employee pays/earns, the whole 12% paid to FICA.

Personally I think all insurance should be non-profit.


The program was never designed to be self sustaining


Then why did Reagan enact the largest tax increase in history to sustain SS? If corporatioins hadn't succeeded in screwing over the US middle class under the scam of free market economics, and trade treaties that have sold our nation down the drain for the gain of the super rich, funding SS would be a breeze.

The filthy rich certainly do feel entitled to rob this nation blind. The greedy parasites do nothing but ruin our society, thus the new norm.

Considering how free market economics have robbed private pension plans, SS is an excellent system.

Yeah, what Reagan, and two Bush presidencies have done to the U.S. government would flabbergast the founders of this nation, and most of the great presidents. It is be allowing banks to rob the U.S. public, using this communistic concept of the free market to undo everything this country stands for that is against everything this country stands for.

The military police state grown by republican administrations is everything against what this nation is about. See the Monroe document.

The propaganda nonsense in your link is the lie.

This is the facts:
Currently the US government owes the SS fund, not the other way around.
Not only has the cost of running the military state created by conservatives absorbed all the money from the SS taxes, it has sunk this country ridiculously into debt.

People who believe the lies you are repeating are the problem.



posted on Aug, 6 2013 @ 09:53 PM
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Your post said it all.

Let me get this straight, all the money spent on wars is greater that all the money that will be spent on future social security spending?

I doubt it, sincerely.

You keep repeating the mantra,

Government baaaad, corporations gooood.

I see where government is bad, the whole military police state reality, but you choose to turn a blind eye to corporate abuse.

Ah, but what the heck, the reality is that you are probably all for the military police state.



posted on Aug, 6 2013 @ 09:54 PM
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Too many are sucked into there Iphones, Ipads, and Android phones to even care or notice about the new normal going on in America. I guess the only way America will wake up from this zombie reality they live in is when Skynet is activated and big ass Huminoid Drone snatches them from in front of their Mac Book Pros!



posted on Aug, 6 2013 @ 10:24 PM
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Um, yepper, that is how insurance works. By the way, the employer has to make that extra 6% from the employees work, or they wouldn't be able to keep the worker employed. The employee pays/earns, the whole 12% paid to FICA


Come again?

Insurance doesn't make you wait 30 years and have to beg government to get it, and NO THEY DON'T PAY 12%

Think 50 bucks a month pays for 100k doctor bill?

Get real.




Personally I think all insurance should be non-profit.


Already figured that out with the support of those scams social security,medicare, and medicaid scams worthy of that evil Wall Street.




Then why did Reagan enact the largest tax increase in history to sustain SS? I


So Clinton could steal from it why else?




If corporatioins hadn't succeeded in screwing over the US middle class under the scam of free market economics, and trade treaties that have sold our nation down the drain for the gain of the super rich, funding SS would be a breeze.


Yeah were done here evil rich, evil corporations blah,blah blah, blah.




The filthy rich certainly do feel entitled to rob this nation blind. The greedy parasites do nothing but ruin our society, thus the new norm.


Excuse me filthy rich blah,blah,blah




Considering how free market economics have robbed private pension plans, SS is an excellent system.


LOL hilarious free market economics is people letting them choose what 'retirement plan' they want since no one has the CHOICE of not paying in to SS,medicare, or medicaid and is far from an 'excellent' system.

What a joke.




Yeah, what Reagan, and two Bush presidencies have done to the U.S. government would flabbergast the founders of this nation, and most of the great presidents. It is be allowing banks to rob the U.S. public, using this communistic concept of the free market to undo everything this country stands for that is against everything this country stands for.


Are you freaking serious?

''communistic concept of the free market'

Yeah well the founders created a constitutional republic where the minority is protected from the majority see SS,medicare,medicaid that AFRONT to everything they stood for.

Hell the NANNY STATE is an AFRONT to everything they stood for.




The military police state grown by republican administrations is everything against what this nation is about. See the Monroe document.


I see someone still pushing intellectual DISHONESTY blame the right ! ! ! ! !

Priceless





The propaganda nonsense in your link is the lie.


Not hardly




Not only has the cost of running the military state created by conservatives absorbed all the money from the SS taxes, it has sunk this country ridiculously into debt.


Now that is a lie.




Let me get this straight, all the money spent on wars is greater that all the money that will be spent on future social security spending?


Didn't say that you did what I clearly said is :

ALL the fiat currency owed to social engineering programs is more than all the wars we have fought.




I doubt it, sincerely.


True fact




You keep repeating the mantra, Government baaaad, corporations gooood.


Actually what I say is government is worse than corporations, but who really cares people sure do love to twist my posts to suit their own agendas.

And the agenda is speaking rather clearly NO MATTER WHAT vilify corporations heard this song and dance for years.

Americans have heard the same political machinations for over 100 years and now they are crying they don't have a job, they don't have money. so they can go out and buy more corporate products.

Moving on now to a thread that has more substance than the diatribe that is being currently being peddled here.

Bye.
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