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The idea that "Might is Right" may very well be a bad one, but it is accepted in the area of settling national borders.
Originally posted by logical7
reply to post by charles1952
Give the Muslims the country, they have most of it and fighting them for it is a losing proposition and will only cause new deaths. But watch to make sure they don't try any military expansion.
That's not a good answer, but it's the one that came to mind first.
Thanks for an honest reply.
Yes its not a good answer, not good at all. It suggest that anyone with power can do what they want and we should accept it. In short "Might is right"
Forgiven me if i am wrong but i also see that your answer indicates what you want the palestinians to do.
It shows you think israel has some right to exist by some divine will etc.
I don't know if you think that the jews are a special "chosen" people and going against israel is going against God. If you do then it is very much clears why you have these views.
I should tell you that the OT does say they were chosen for a covenant. Even Qur'an affirms that but the OT continues to say that the chosen status is conditional. If they follow the covenant, obey God and help other people get closer to God and establish peace then they will be rewarded BUT if they disobey God and cause corruption in the land then their punishment would be "DOUBLE" than what it would be for someone else.
God does not play favourites we muslims know this by Qur'an. Qur'an tells me to speak the truth, stand up against wrong even if its against myself or my family. Also God says not to accept oppression for the fear of death because its God who has already ordained the time and manner of death for each and none can escape it.
If you had believed this, your answer may have been different.
I'm not saying to accept it, feel free to fight against a super power trying to take over the world. But that's not what Israel is trying to do. As I mentioned, they gave back big chunks of land that they had won by conquest. Has Islam given back land at any time that it wasn't forced to?
so if a super power decides to bring the whole world under its control by using its superior military force then everyone else should just accept it by tucking their tails between the legs?
If you mean that Obama is doing what Israel wants him to do, I would find that very difficult to believe.
What if that super power is working as a proxy, a puppet of the real string pullers?
I call Zionism? Whose speech is this thread at least partially about? The new President of Iran is calling it Zionism. What if Zionism is about having more land? What if Islam is about forcing the entire world to become believers, dhimmi, or dead.
What if the movement you call zionism is more than just having a tiny land for Jews?
Perhaps Americans pity the majority of Muslims who do things which other people see as scandalous, brutish, barbaric, and backwards.
I sometimes pity the majority US citizens who are more worried about what celebrities are doing rather than being aware what their government is doing and it will hit them went least expected. A result of seperating politics from the daily life of people by seperating it from religion.
They had established it in 1967, then they gave it back. That doesn't fit well with your theories.
Israel's agenda is to rule the world and for that it needs to establish the biblical israel.
I don't believe that's true. Our government doesn't act like it's controlled by Apocalyptic Christians, and I've never met one that wants to kill to speed up Armageddon. There might be a few sprinkled around, but they are generally ignored. Christianity has a few extremists, I suspect Islam does, too.
The apocalypic christians are hungry for it and don't care how many innocents die to make the preparations for the coming of Messiah.
So why are Muslims killing far more Muslims than they are killing Christians and Jews combined? Are Muslims oppressing Muslims?
Muslims cannot back down and let the NWO just come as they are simply fighting the wrongs being done against them and YES because there is a God and God is never on the side of the oppressor/s
As I mentioned, they gave back big chunks of land that they had won by conquest. Has Islam given back land at any time that it wasn't forced to?
If you mean that Obama is doing what
Israel wants him to do, I would find
that very difficult to believe.
Perhaps Americans pity the majority of
Muslims who do things which other
people see as scandalous, brutish,
barbaric, and backwards.
I don't believe that's true. Our
government doesn't act like it's
controlled by Apocalyptic Christians,
and I've never met one that wants to
kill to speed up Armageddon.
So, if I understand you, the Christians
and the Jews are united in the service
of the NWO, and the only thing
stopping it is the faithful Muslims who
are willing to attack and destroy Israel,
Jews, and Christianity.
The Abrahamic faiths really make me sick. Sorry, but - I want no part of any of it.
You suggested "why couldn't Israel have a tiny piece of land in the West?" That's ridiculous - THEIR HOMELAND is in the Middle-East, SAME AS THE OTHER TWO. I wish the faiths had never been exported to anywhere.
Its clear you only want it in small doses... small enough to go on and on about it on forums.
Answer me a simple question why is USA ready to self-destruct just to protect and forward the interests of israel?
Thats because the USA is controlled by those who work for the interests of Israel.
In other words, a dancing string puppet doesn't dance on its own, rather it's made to do so by the skilled hands that holds the strings.
Its not Christians or Muslims that are at fault for the war machine or the crusades, its TPTB who are at fault, and all the rest is to keep the people distracted and from turning their horrified and resolved eyes upon them, to take back the world for their children, as it should be.
But the movement to be free and live in a good world should be using the most advanced skills, and lack of them, developing them. ie communication, prayer, meditation, meeting with representatives, problem solving locally, forming citizens groups that get things done, our own media, our own businesses and economy and buy/sell from each other, our own outreach to others to the point where such a wide awake and capable intelligent problem solving groups would never vote in a draco again.
but it doesn't change the fact that the Muslim/Muslim, Muslim/ Christian, Muslim/Jew, Jew/Christian, Jew/Jew, and Christian/Christian INFIGHTING and hatred of every person who believes differently INCITES VIOLENCE.
You are angry on me because our views are different, thats violence too
saying that Abrahamic religions are responsible for violence is just plain wrong.
"Our race is the Master Race. We are
divine gods on this planet. We are as
different from the inferior races as they
are from insects. In fact, compared to
our race, other races are beasts and
animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our
destiny is to rule over the inferior
races. Our earthly kingdom will be
ruled by our leader with a rod of iron.
The masses will lick our feet and serve
us as our slaves." -Menachem Begin (Israeli Prime Minister, 1977-1983,
Nobel Peace Prize Winner, Seriously!)
Originally posted by charles1952
reply to post by TheOd
Thank you for suggesting Leslie Flint. I had never heard of him, and I'm happy to add new knowledge.
Being as gentle as I can, Mr. Flint was, and is, "controversial."
I will not repeat what has been said about him, other than to say it is not favorable. Here is the first article I stumbled on, which includes links to some audio samples of his (Work? Performances?).
I have a great deal of faith in the Bible and the writings of the early Christians.