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"Israel is supposed to be a Jewish state," is the fundamental definition of Zionism. The author of those words is claiming "Israel is supposed to be a Zionist state, not a Zionist state." Someone who can intentionally write that should have no attention paid to his words on any subject touching on the Middle-East.
They always leave out how he was talking about the Zionist that are running Israel. Israel is supposed to be a Jewish state not a Zionist state.
Definition of ZIONISM
: an international movement originally for the establishment of a Jewish national or religious community in Palestine and later for the support of modern Israel
Zi·on·ism
a worldwide Jewish movement that resulted in the establishment and development of the state of Israel.
You don't see a connection between an article in which a religious leader urges respect and understanding, and one in which a religious government leader urges destruction of a country founded for members of a religion?
Why do you see the muslim identity of Iran as relavent her when you yourself are not a fan of Israel and know that they have broken countless UN resolutions and committed horrible attrocities?
"Speaks against?" No, that's fine. Calling for the end of a country which was created by the Jewish (Zionist) movement? Weelllll, not so fine.
When a muslim speaks against israel does he automatically get labelled a jew hater? It appears so by your title.
Originally posted by wildtimes
And here's what the out-going Iran President said today in his departure speech:
Iran's Ahmadinejad warns Israel will be 'uprooted'
Iran's outgoing President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad warned arch-foe Israel Friday in one of his last public speeches that a regional storm was brewing that would "uproot" the Jewish state.
"I will inform you with God as my witness, a devastating storm is on the way that will uproot the basis of Zionism," Ahmadinejad said in Quds (Jerusalem) Day remarks broadcast on state television.
Mmmhmmm. Not sounding like a Pope-defender. The incoming President has called Israel a "wound" on the Muslim world. This sounds scary ominous to me.
It seems you're objecting to the fact that the Pope didn't condemn Israel in his message.
Do you object when the President issues a
Thanksgiving Day proclamation
without mentiong waste treatment
plant repairs?
Second, it doesn't appear that this
Pope is interested in condemning
people. Does everybody have to? Or,
are some allowed to just love others?
You don't see a connection between
an article in which a religious leader
urges respect and understanding, and
one in which a religious government
leader urges destruction of a country
founded for members of a religion?
"Speaks against?" No, that's fine.
Calling for the end of a country which
was created by the Jewish (Zionist)
movement? Weelllll, not so fine.
The Jewish state has been in existence for 60 years. It has been built up, developed, and become home to millions. It is vastly more valuable than when the first received it from the UN.
Until it ceases its terrorist activities and let go the idea of a jewish state.
Originally posted by charles1952
reply to post by logical7
Dear logical7,
Thanks for posting a response, good of you.
Something jumped out at me that I'd like to clear up before we go any further.
The Jewish state has been in existence for 60 years. It has been built up, developed, and become home to millions. It is vastly more valuable than when the first received it from the UN.
Until it ceases its terrorist activities and let go the idea of a jewish state.
It seems that you are suggesting that the Jews let someone else take it over and either live there under someone else's rule, or flee to (somewhere?). If that's what you meant, I assume you know that no Israeli government, for that matter no government anywhere, would willingly agree to that. If it is that or war, then there will be war.
I suppose the Arab nations don't think they will be defeated again, even without the aid of the US?
That's why I'm pretty sure I've misunderstood you.
With respect,
Charles1952
The Jewish state has been in existence for 60 years. It has been built up, developed, and become home to millions. It is vastly more valuable than when the first received it from the UN.
I suppose the Arab nations don't think
they will be defeated again, even
without the aid of the US?
I like to do an excercise and i suggest you to do it and reply to me.
I change the religions/nationality/race etc of people in a conflict and see how i feel. If i feel differently then i know i am biased in some way.
So, try this. Replace zionists with muslims, palestinians with christians/Americans(actually there are palestinian christians) and US with Iran/Saudi.
Do you still have the same opinion?
Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
OP, its also clear that you're trying to stir the pot with the thread title.
You're basically saying "Look how sweet these guys are, while those guys are being so mean".
You know very well that the two stories are unrelated, but you still decided to contrast them anyway.
Its really not too hard to find a feel good story about one group and then contrast it with an unrelated story about another group doing things most people wouldn't approve of.
Give the Muslims the country, they have most of it and fighting them for it is a losing proposition and will only cause new deaths. But watch to make sure they don't try any military expansion.
That's not a good answer, but it's the one that came to mind first.
I personally believe that this is a publicity stunt and nothing more. The target group is too busy to listen.
P.S. Please don't cut off the heads of people just for being Christian (while shouting "God is great"), any more. Thank you.
I have the same objection to the title of this thread as Sk0rpie.
wildtimes posts a lot of anti-Catholic threads, it gets old. Maybe she does it for the attention, for sure wildtimes knows nothing of the faith.
Originally posted by FlyersFan
Originally posted by wildtimes
The timing is abysmal,
There will never be a perfect time for the pope to make a statement of peace and respect to the Muslim people. That part of the world is always in chaos. Ya' know?? He's just gotta' say it and hope that something sticks (which I doubt anything will)
collapse in tears and shock from what she has been shown. Worse, would be to stubbornly say "no" to God.
Pray for her conversion.
Obama is hunting with drones, Iran is condemning Israel, Syria is being ripped to pieces, and the Pope is calling for peace.
I say "Good on him!" Yet, with the
vicious PTB in actual control of military
killing devices, the words get lost. Only
"the People" will benefit from it. I
AGREE with what he said. Apparently you do not.
Another surprise of dazzling
proportions. (Not.)