Georgia State student forms White Student Union

Originally posted by DeReK DaRkLy

Celebrating ethnic culture is one thing, segregating it is another.

If this is purely a celebration, anyone should be allowed to join.

Originally posted by DeReK DaRkLy
reply to post by Vasa Croe

 

The original idea behind minority organizations is so that minorities had a chance to succeed when there was little chance.

Fear is what perpetuates tension. What is he afraid of? Becoming the minority?

Funny reading statements from people that totally contradict themselves.

Originally posted by lifeonanisland
Maybe he meant how they vote, like a collective borg

Can you imagine the howls of "Racism!", demonstrations, and widespread riots that would have immediately followed a 95% white vote for a white candidate?

However, a "black" (I don't consider Obama to be "black" -- I'll explain another time) candidate gets 95% of the black vote and that's perfectly fine...?

That, dear friends, is the definition of a "double standard".

Originally posted by winofiend

Originally posted by supremecommander

Originally posted by mymymy
I wouldn't mind starting a "Human Union", but I'm pretty afraid of what would show up

After reading the comments and hatred in this thread, I agree with you.

From the first post you presented here, it's obvious that you cannot discuss an issue without it being an argument or a hate fuelled debate. Why continue then?

It is a topic that needs to be discussed and sweeping it under the carpet is not going to change anything.

Go, go the status quo is calling...

If not spewing hatred and engaging in race bait nonsense is upholding the status quo, I'm fine with that

reply to post by Konduit

Funny reading statements from people that totally contradict themselves.

There is no contradiction in my statements, as I merely ask questions and make observations, and do not pass judgement on entire groups of people. Stereotypes are an absurd excuse to not think deeper than conclusions arrived at by latching on to isolated examples. If all Muslims were terrorists, for example, there would be chaos every second where Muslims and Christians both reside.

This new "white" group is purely for show. It serves no practical purpose. Caucasians do not suffer the same disadvantages as minorities, although minorities do statistically tend to abuse socialist programs offered freely by our increasingly socialist government at the expense of all taxpayers. (Again, not a judgement, an observation.) It is a cycle of stereotypes driven by fear and ignorance.

Any white folks who thinks this country is being "overrun" by blacks, remember that your "freedom loving" ancestors brought them here on slave ships and eventually set them free.

Likewise, if you are dismayed at the increasing Hispanic population, remember that these folks were on the continent long before Europeans.

Those that fail to see the simple fact that all people want the same thing - freedom and security - are suffering from years of "inbred" ignorance. This goes for all races.

Originally posted by ButterCookie
S & F OP

As you know I am a black woman, and a black male friend of mine texted me this morning about this. He and I saw differently about the George Zimmerman trial, as I am a Zimmerman supporter and did not buy into the 'race game' of the Left. He did.

He asked me what I thought of this, and I said "Wow! I think that's wonderful! '

"What? That's not racist to you??"

"No. How is demonstrating the pride in your race RACIST to other races?"

"Because....err....uhhmm...you can't do that!"

"Hmm, we have the NAACP, The Black Cultural Center at Purdue University, Black Engineering and Science Students at Berkely, Black Graduate Students Association at Stanford, etc.....do you consider those RACIST organizations??"

"Bye!"

First off, other races can join black groups or go to black colleges. Though, if its a white group than no other race can join or would join, because of the way they would be treated (by some; not all). Plus, white people have plenty of groups, the only difference is black people put black in front of their groups and white people don't. Prime example is buttercookie post. There is/was no reason to state that she is black, but that's just how bp are. So saying you want a white in front of your group just because black people do it is ignorant. Just like BET... P.s. my race is not important.

PoP = power of the people

So the WSU,is another name for the young Republicans club? Heh,they're pretty much the same...
Do any of you here have friends that are of a different race?And don't say coworkers..I mean actual friends that hang out,and shoot the *hit..Man,some of you here live in a close minded bubble.Push the keyboard away,get out,and meet some people that are different from your enclosed environment...

Originally posted by mymymy
reply to post by Wrabbit2000

 

I'm kind of hesitant to reply to where you said "the other sides of the discussion don't appear to have all gotten the same lessons" because I don't hear Japanese, Chinese (Asians in General) Mexicans, Colombians, or even people actually from Africa exclaiming their pride of race, So the "other side", since I said white, I am assuming to be black, and I am wondering why they didn't get that lesson, was there something to lose or gain by not teaching your children to just be proud to be a human being?

I probably could have chosen my words a bit better there for clarity. My bad on that. By other side I meant those of other races who choose to get into what has become a near contact sport of race relations in this nation. I think, for all practical purposes, the majority of those of ALL races really just focus on making ends meet, doing the best by their own children and family and make it to another day, week, month and year without falling further down. White, Black and all others that form our nation.

As far as what is to gain? By the institutional degree of racism that is taught from the divided forms we fill out at all levels to the consideration in everything from school to employment in racial % and ratio, it perpetuates the system which the Politicians and "Community Leaders" profit and benefit by to an enormous degree.

As long as we all keep fighting like good citizens in their eyes, we won't stop long enough to realize....race really is nothing but skin pigment and minor differences it takes a pathologist to appreciate on an autopsy table or a gross anatomy reference book.

reply to post by Cancerwarrior


If Europeans never barged there way onto the continent, taking what they wanted, and continuing to do so, Africa would be a much different place. How do you know my life would be worse generations later without Europeans conquering, pillaging and enslaving Africa? Honestly, i think without there arrival, Africa would be awesome, just like some of the county's in the continent today. America is no good either, and getting worse.

I am not trying to keep racism alive, that sh** needs to die. Some here are acting like whites are in serious danger, here. We should all be proud of our race, and of each other. But the point is, what do Euro-whites have so much to be proud of besides there heritage and culture? There a original reason for the formation of black, Latino, and Native American groups. They were killed of, oppressed, and segregated. By some members of white society and government. They formed a group of unity, you know, strength in numbers kind of thing. Today, admittedly, these groups are not as needed depending on which part of the country groups are formed. Mixed suburban neighborhood or school? Nah, no need, chill with that. Racist, asshole city? Brothers and sisters, unite.

And i know exactly what you, or someone else will say next concerning Europeans and Africa, i'm waiting for it...

reply to post by Evil_Santa


This is another thing, i forgot to mention. An Irish club or Lithuanian club would be valid also, these are nationality's that got historically and presently were shat on just as much as us blacks, Latinos's, and Native American's.

You mention another problem, too. We have zealous, ignorant people forming these groups when they do not need to be formed, and antagonizing whites who are probably friendly, or even on their side. They do not utilize reason and discretion, it's ALL whites are evil, and that destroys credibility for black or Latino groups that have an actual, legitimate reason to form and be active. So now we have this kid forming this whiter group, and other posters here, who are probably using these ignorant, unnecessarily heated black groups as a reason to form this white club.

Shame...

reply to post by bigman88


And voila, I'll say it.

One..Europeans did not 'barge' their way onto any African shoreline. Re-visit the slave-trade history, luv.

African Kings/Queens/Chiefs SOLD loosing tribes as slaves to Europeans as a result of business deals.

And two, you state that Africa would be a different place had it not been for the Europeans? Yep.

It would be full of blacks still in slavery to this day, amongst each other.

reply to post by DeReK DaRkLy


I tend to agree with Stephen Fry on that one.

If someone makes a racial slur without a physical assault, then so what? They have the right to. Government should not be in the business of forcing integration or tolerance of any group of people, as these are things that will naturally happen or not.

As I previously mentioned, the Civil Rights cases of the 1960's (Loving v Heart of Atlanta Hotel, Ollie's Bar B Que) was technically the overreaching arms of the federal government forcing tolerance and integration upon private business owners, who technically had the right to deny service- PRIVATE service- to any one they wish. They were not the owners of schools, govt offices, libraries, etc....

Government's only role concerning this should be to ensure the physical safety of both sides.

Originally posted by ButterCookie
reply to post by bigman88

 

And voila, I'll say it

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One..Europeans did not 'barge' their way onto any African shoreline. Re-visit the slave-trade history, luv.

African Kings/Queens/Chiefs SOLD loosing tribes as slaves to Europeans as a result of business deals.

You state that Africa would be a different place had it not been for the Europeans? Yep.

It would be full of blacks still in slavery to this day, amongst each other.

And i guess those African Kings and Queens did not fight tooth and nail against Europeans that saw how trusting and technologically disadvantaged they were? They didn't push their way onto the continent?

And i guess blacks would still be in slavery, just like European tribes and kingdoms would continue bartering slaves to one another? What about south American tribes and Kingdoms? What about Asian tribes and Kingdoms? Nope, it still goes on en masse, but slavery is not official at any of those places anymore, despite it's conduct in the far past, ALL OVER THE WORLD, WITH ALL CIVILIZATIONS. So what's so different about Africa that slavery would still be practiced today if it were not for Europeans? Are you saying Europeans were the ones who put an official stop to slavery?

Buttercookie, your comments show a lot of self hate, take a good look at yourself?

Originally posted by IvanAstikov
reply to post by bigwig22

 

Are you suggesting that whites have suffered the same mistreatment at the hands of blacks and asians, as blacks and asians have at the hands of whites, and are therefore entitled to equal consideration?

Well, in 100 years, will the white descendants of South Africa THEN be able to create their own caucasian based support groups without being deemed as racist? -> www.wnd.com...

Originally posted by ButterCookie
reply to post by DeReK DaRkLy

 

I tend to agree with Stephen Fry on that one.

If someone makes a racial slur without a physical assault, then so what? They have the right to. Government should not be in the business of forcing integration or tolerance of any group of people, as these are things that will naturally happen or not.

As I previously mentioned, the Civil Rights cases of the 1960's (Loving v Heart of Atlanta Hotel, Ollie's Bar B Que) was technically the overreaching arms of the federal government forcing tolerance and integration upon private business owners, who technically had the right to deny service- PRIVATE service- to any one they wish. They were not the owners of schools, govt offices, libraries, etc....

Government's only role concerning this should be to ensure the physical safety of both sides.

edit on 3-8-2013 by ButterCookie because: (no reason given)

Government should not intervene when business owners routinely deny someone service because they are not the same race as them? WOAH... It seems you are speaking from a clearly legal standpoint here, but an ethical correction should not be done here, at all?

Butercookie...

Originally posted by WaterBottle
You all do realize that white people can join black student unions, etc.

The white people that made this group are the same type that complain there isn't a white history month, when in reality, nearly all history is white history in this country... or complain about BET. Just dumb.

edit on 1-8-2013 by WaterBottle because: (no reason given)

Can a white female compete in the Black Miss America Pageant?

Originally posted by elouina
How about this? National association for the advancement of Americans.

That would still be racist. Only now the racial minority group is 'Americans'

reply to post by Vasa Croe



Living in the South my entire life, and having traveled to Atlanta on business many times, I must say that I have never seen racism against blacks the way it is portrayed in the media/movies. Having lived in a mostly black neighborhood most of my childhood and teenage years, it was the whites who were discriminated against. Don't dare say that though, as it would be the whites who were racist for standing up for themselves. I am not saying that racism does not exist towards blacks, but I am really upset and baffled by the fact that it is only whites in the South who are racist. Many times I was singled out for being a white woman in a mostly black/minority neighborhood and at my place of work while growing up. We have since moved, and I do not like returning to the area because of the way whites are being treated - the crime is through the roof. I do not wish for anyone to be singled out, but I think a white group would be the same as a black group, so I do not see how any controversy should be around it. If there is, than every "certain race" group or "heritage" group should be dismantled in the school systems, including state colleges.

reply to post by bigman88


Maybe I am misunderstanding your comment, but there are still slaves in Africa today. Many African countries steal children for war and rape others (sex slavery) . If forcing boys to hold weapons and kill other children isn't some form of slavery or torture, than I do not know what is. Africa is still home to slave child soldiers, human trafficking, forced labor, and sex slaves in many of the countries who are in the midst of civil war.

Why is it just slavery in the Americas 100 years ago that gets the attention? This type of thing is still going on in many other countries today.

Edited.

Originally posted by 1curiousmama
reply to post by bigman88

 

Why is it just slavery in the Americas 100 years ago that gets the attention? This type of thing is still going on in many other countries today.

do you really wanna know?
if you honestly wanna know ill put it as simply as i can:
because making something of yourself in this world takes years of diligent, hard work.
its a lot easier to give up and blame personal failures on something that happened before you were born.