Could you survive a Zombi pandemic , the math says no

Depends on the type of zombie outbreak.

If they are the zombies from "The Night of the Living Dead" from a long time back, no problem. They are slow moving, unintelligent etc.

Now, if were are facing Zombies from resident evil style movies, then we are toast

Either way, I would head North where it is cold for the majority of the year.

No worries, the survivors just have to make it to Catalina, then they're homefree.
Right?

How would it cross the seas if the only way of being infected is being bitten ?

' Math - making no sense since 0001 BC '

reply to post by Carreau
well sad to say it would be the 28 days type, UK has some more uk.answers.yahoo.com... from the link

28 Days Later (2002, U.K.)
28 Weeks Later (2007, U.K.)
Colin (2009, U.K.)
Cradle of Fear (2001, U.K.)
Dead Creatures (2001, U.K.)
Dead Outside, The (2008, U.K.)
Dead, The (2009, U.K.)
Devil’s Playground (2010, U.K.)
Doghouse (2009, U.K.)
Earth Dies Screaming, The (1964, U.K.)
E’gad, Zombies! (2010, U.K., short)
The Graveyard of Death (2005, U.K.)
The Graveyard of Death Part II (2009, U.K.)
From Beyond the Grave (1973, U.K.)
Frozen Dead, The (1967, U.K.)
Horror Express (1972, U.K.)
I Am Zombie Man (2007, U.K.)
I, Zombie: The Chronicles of Pain (1998, U.K.)
Infestation (2005, U.K.)
Lifeforce (1985, U.K.)
Nightmare Weekend (1986, U.K.)
Nightmare of the Living Dead (1998, U.K.)
Outpost (2008, U.K.)
Outpost 2 (2012, U.K.)
Plague of the Zombies (1966, U.K.)
Psychomania (1973, U.K.)
Resident Evil: Afterlife (2010, U.K.)
Satan’s Slave (1976, U.K.)
Shaun of the Dead (2004, U.K.)
Somnium Illis (2006, U.K.)
Stag Night of the Dead (2010, U.K.)
Tales from the Crypt (1972, U.K.)
Three Tickets to Hell (1997, U.K.)
TrashHouse (2005, U.K.)
Womaneater (1958, U.K.)
Zombie Diaries, The (2006, U.K.)
Zombie Driftwood (2010, U.K.)
Zombie Ferox (2002, U.K.)
Zombie Genocide (1993, U.K.)
Zombie Graveyard (2004, U.K.)
Zombie Toxin (1998, U.K.)
Zombie Undead (2010, U.K.)
Zombie Women of Satan (2009, U.K.)

just some of the Zombie movies

reply to post by MDDoxs


Slow moving zeds are the bigger threat ............ runners would make everyone ALERT ..... shufflers bring a false sense of security - leading to survivors being surrounded by them.

Still ...... this wouldnt be a game or a movie with unlimited bodies ..... put them down and secure your town block by block if youre equipped for it .... if not .... hide / sneak / silent kills will do the trick.

Math if anything has been proven to be innaccurate with real world scenerios as any given equation does not take in the variables "Grey Areas" per say~ That being said, yes we could survive a Zombie Pandemic though as many threaders responded, 50% if not a lil more would be lost.

Lastly, for us survivors our there who have some sort of defense and plan in place for a SHTF scenerio, I would presume that the equation postulated is null and void.

Best case scenerio, we should put the equation to the test and release the VIRUS!!! Nothing like live trials to spark some controversy~

Seriously, if a zombie outbreak occurred it wouldn't be that hard to survive once you can find a decent safe place to hole up for a few weeks.

If the zombies are undead, they'd eventually rot apart. The not feeling pain part actually works out better for the living, because the zombies won't notice when they break bones or tear ligaments (which will deteriorate the longer they are dead) and eventually won't be able to move.

If the zombies are infected humans, eventually they'd have to resort to tearing their fellow zombie mates apart for sustenance otherwise they'd die. This being because their source of sustenance, non-infected humans, would eventually diminish or become inaccessible to them. Eventually they'd either all eat each other or just starve to death.

So the I way I see it, the most vulnerable situation of the whole encounter would be the initial outbreak as you are struggling to find a place to hole up for a little while. Zombie movies tend to gloss over many of these little facts in order to make a zombie outbreak seem deadly.

reply to post by AthiestJesus
it would be air born. or by direct contact H7N9 is a virus that is by direct contact if it becomes air born??? www.cdc.gov... the flu is air born or direct contact www.cdc.gov... as we become more dependent on live virus to fight virus like the flu we are opening the door for such an event, would it be like 28 days or i am Legend, that is to say a man-made virus originally created to cure, may result in mutants created by the virus. with no known cure.

reply to post by Krazysh0t
to tell you the truth, we are more open to be dead by a new flu or anti flu shot than by Zombies, or turning in to one.

Originally posted by bekod
reply to post by AthiestJesus

 

it would be air born. or by direct contact H7N9 is a virus that is by direct contact if it becomes air born??? www.cdc.gov... the flu is air born or direct contact www.cdc.gov... as we become more dependent on live virus to fight virus like the flu we are opening the door for such an event, would it be like 28 days or i am Legend, that is to say a man-made virus originally created to cure, may result in mutants created by the virus. with no known cure.

Max brooks when created World War Z explained how a zombie virus might work. It would be different from everything we ever saw, like the Spanish Flu. The zombies would be still alive for decades. The virus is called Solanum and came from extreterrestrial origin (in World War Z) over 20,000 years ago:

Solanum begins to transform the host from human into a zombie once it is introduced into the body. Through means not yet fully understood, the virus uses the cells of the brains' frontal lobe for replication, destroying them in the process. Once the brain is infected, all bodily functions (including function of the heart and lungs) cease, and all trace of personality, individualism, mercy and according to many, humanity, is irrevocably lost. The viral incubation period is variable, with some turning rapidly (most common in bite victims) and others not showing symptoms for a significant period.

Combined with the ability to spread via non-obvious means such as open cuts and not just clearly visible bites, this necessitates the careful screening of individuals before allowing them into safe zones. The transformed brain does continue some minor activity, as the zombie will reanimate and hunt and consume anything it identifies as living. Its preferred prey is humans, choosing to chase a fast human over any animal that it might catch more easily. Some bodily functions remain constant, others operate in a modified capacity, and the remainder shut down completely, which is why zombies are commonly referred to as the living dead.

The virus mutates each infected cell into a sort of organ, independent from every other cell, and the physiological tasks it once performed for the human. They also produce a great deal of oxygen, which circulates throughout the body. By removing the need for oxygen, the undead brain can utilize, but is in no way dependent upon, the complex support mechanism of the human body. The energy source of the zombie remains a baffling mystery to science, as a zombie will continue moving indefinitely without food, water, or rest.

Even when a zombie does "consume" an organism, solanum cells do not draw energy from the flesh like living cells would. The flesh merely remains in the digestive tract of the zombie until it rots, or newer flesh presses the human remains out of the anus (or if the zombie has torso wounds, a rupture in the abdomen)

reply to post by Frocharocha
thanks, need to see the movie!!! that is the video showing the pathogen , the real threat is , the black plague comes back, mixed in with the H7N9, the anti virus mutates the ones that receive the injection, and become zombies. The ones that don't either die from the virus or wind up fending for their lives.
The numbers 7 billion + and counting say 60% get the shot, 30% die 10% are left, where would you like be in the % rate.

reply to post by Frocharocha


World War Z is a great book (haven't seen the movie yet, but the book is awesome). However even in that description there are still several things that it just says are unexplained, read: "magic." Also cells that constantly produce oxygen? That defies the laws of physics. Where is it obtaining the materials to produce the oxygen? What about the energy to do this. It's obviously not coming from the humans the zombie eats, because the description says that these things can survive indefinitely without food and anything it does eat just rots in its stomach or gets pushed out by more food.

So while it does cover up some of the gapping plot holes in zombie pandemic movies, it still leaves much of the science up to "magic." i.e. just as unlikely as any other scenario presented by any other zombie pandemic movie.

Originally posted by bekod
reply to post by proob4

 

This is not the Zombi of voodoo this is based on a virus spread infection , could be very real , one that would trigger the desire to eat raw flesh, and act on chem make up of a human much like steroids do. enhance Epinephrine (also known as adrenaline or adrenalin) to give one Superhuman Strength and speed, to kill the never ending so one would feel no pain, enhance sight smell hearing.

Do you not think that DARPA is working on Such a drug to give to solders.

An air borne rabies could do it, make man kind rabid

WOW could make some new anti virus that mutates.

Just mix:

40% Rabies
40% Alzheimers
20% Meth

Aerosolize it and you're set...

I think people get the "hollywood" zombie mixed up with the "real" zombie. Real zombies wouldn't be dead, they would be very much alive. They might not have a conscious though and might be rabid. Could you imagine 10 rabid crazy humans chasing you so they could eat you? They wouldn't be moving slow like they do in the walking dead either they would be coming at you in a full sprint, only fast people would get away.

Originally posted by bekod
reply to post by Carreau

 

well sad to say it would be the 28 days type, UK has some more uk.answers.yahoo.com... from the link

28 Days Later (2002, U.K.)
28 Weeks Later (2007, U.K.)
Colin (2009, U.K.)
Cradle of Fear (2001, U.K.)
Dead Creatures (2001, U.K.)
Dead Outside, The (2008, U.K.)
Dead, The (2009, U.K.)
Devil’s Playground (2010, U.K.)
Doghouse (2009, U.K.)
Earth Dies Screaming, The (1964, U.K.)
E’gad, Zombies! (2010, U.K., short)
The Graveyard of Death (2005, U.K.)
The Graveyard of Death Part II (2009, U.K.)
From Beyond the Grave (1973, U.K.)
Frozen Dead, The (1967, U.K.)
Horror Express (1972, U.K.)
I Am Zombie Man (2007, U.K.)
I, Zombie: The Chronicles of Pain (1998, U.K.)
Infestation (2005, U.K.)
Lifeforce (1985, U.K.)
Nightmare Weekend (1986, U.K.)
Nightmare of the Living Dead (1998, U.K.)
Outpost (2008, U.K.)
Outpost 2 (2012, U.K.)
Plague of the Zombies (1966, U.K.)
Psychomania (1973, U.K.)
Resident Evil: Afterlife (2010, U.K.)
Satan’s Slave (1976, U.K.)
Shaun of the Dead (2004, U.K.)
Somnium Illis (2006, U.K.)
Stag Night of the Dead (2010, U.K.)
Tales from the Crypt (1972, U.K.)
Three Tickets to Hell (1997, U.K.)
TrashHouse (2005, U.K.)
Womaneater (1958, U.K.)
Zombie Diaries, The (2006, U.K.)
Zombie Driftwood (2010, U.K.)
Zombie Ferox (2002, U.K.)
Zombie Genocide (1993, U.K.)
Zombie Graveyard (2004, U.K.)
Zombie Toxin (1998, U.K.)
Zombie Undead (2010, U.K.)
Zombie Women of Satan (2009, U.K.)

just some of the Zombie movies

edit on 31-7-2013 by bekod because: line edit

Lol remind me never to go to the UK.. I'm all up for undead slaying but that is quiet a disturbing list

I don't think it's DARPA we have to worry about it's the Brits!

Originally posted by Krazysh0t
reply to post by Frocharocha

 

World War Z is a great book (haven't seen the movie yet, but the book is awesome). However even in that description there are still several things that it just says are unexplained, read: "magic." Also cells that constantly produce oxygen? That defies the laws of physics. Where is it obtaining the materials to produce the oxygen? What about the energy to do this. It's obviously not coming from the humans the zombie eats, because the description says that these things can survive indefinitely without food and anything it does eat just rots in its stomach or gets pushed out by more food.

So while it does cover up some of the gapping plot holes in zombie pandemic movies, it still leaves much of the science up to "magic." i.e. just as unlikely as any other scenario presented by any other zombie pandemic movie.

Yes, Max brooks zombies are basically magical. They can fight effective with hudnreds of pounds of meat on their stomach. Walk with limbs multilated and of course... On fire.

The Solanum virus will turn the human like a slug. Slugs are extremely simple animals and only need their simple neural system to survive. That's what the solanum does. It slowly turns the host into another animal by cutting it's oxygen supply and mutating the host cells.

That's why in the books zombies only atack living organism. There's only one thing virus do: Propagate and spread. That's why the zombies in the books aren't seeing eating dead corpses. They can only turn living organism into zombies (in this case humans due to the highly advanced brain), Solanum can't ressurect dead cells.

Zombies ignore dead flesh. While they do continue to consume their prey until it is horribly mutilated, they would pass a fairly fresh corpse that it had not been hunting, even if the body is preserved (such as a heart attack victim). Likewise, experiments where Solanum is introduced directly into the frontal lobe of a corpse dead only minutes show that Solanum only reacts with living cells. Therefore Solanum does not create "life"- it alters it, and any attempt to use it to reanimate the dead is futile.

I'm a huge fan of the books. But the only thing that bothers me is how Max brooks made the military feel idiotic on Yonkers Battle. Afterall, he wanted to have a zombie apocalypse....
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Fun fact: The Solanum virus actually exists! But calm down, no one is turning into a zombie. The real virus only target potatoes.

Clarification:

Zombi: Human believed to be dead but only drugged and placed in a light coma or deep sleep.
Typical cause:A bokor (Voodoo Priest) to be used as servant or as a curse.
Threat Level: No more than a normal human who is stoned or drunk.

Zombie: Reanimated corpse, member of the Undead slow, moving craves flesh, usually easy to dispatch.
Typically cause: a virus or comet or supernatural
Threat Level: Minimum shoot them in the head or decapitate them

Zoombie: Virus controlled human with increased speed and strength. Person is no longer in control and is affected by virus to eat flesh.
Typical cause: Infection by Rage-like virus
Threat Level: MAXIMUM Run like hell!

We could survive a Zombi, or a Zombie outbreak. It is not likely that many would survive a Zoombie outbreak! I really hate Zoombies...

I don't call a bio lay down a zombie attack.If you have protection you live.Also most virulent agents die off pretty quickly in UV light aka sunlight also wind directions,concentration agents that are keeping it persistant and keeping it from dispersing too fast.What is the delivery system?
A jet spray a bomb? If its a bomb it will be a short lived event,unless it is a spacific chemical to cause some kind of neurologic effect.

Originally posted by cavtrooper7
I don't call a bio lay down a zombie attack.If you have protection you live.Also most virulent agents die off pretty quickly in UV light aka sunlight also wind directions,concentration agents that are keeping it persistant and keeping it from dispersing too fast.What is the delivery system?
A jet spray a bomb? If its a bomb it will be a short lived event,unless it is a spacific chemical to cause some kind of neurologic effect.

Chemtrails would be effetive ...... that could last a while ... it would also contaminate the soil and make near enough every surface dangerous.

To be fair they are extremely smart and well organized so they would make sure that nothing could go wrong - but this would be more of a culling than a zombie outbreak.

Originally posted by Senduko
reply to post by Starcrossd

 

Your answer is hefficide?

Oh yeah.. I forget Heff uses him in his avatar--Unless .. maybe Heff Really IS Daryl incognito!! Woot!