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Is it against the law for us to create art in this surveillance state we live in?

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posted on Jul, 30 2013 @ 02:18 PM
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TO ME, great art involves a highly skilled creator, sensual (of the senses) balance, personal meaning and is in tune with our personal preferences.
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posted on Jul, 30 2013 @ 02:21 PM
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Originally posted by mikegrouchy

Originally posted by Euphony
Absolutely not. I should include my definition of art to include something about the act of creating. Art will never die because life itself is a created work of art and by us creating 'just life', art is inherently created.


Maybe,
but no one creates more
than the monopolies and giant corporations of the world.

By that definition they are the artists and they deserve to rule.
That only leaves procreation for the individual.


Mike



Scam ARTISTS =)

It is an art.

But who says they deserve to rule? That doesn't seem to have anything to do with art.



posted on Jul, 30 2013 @ 02:23 PM
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Originally posted by BobAthome
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pinnacle indeed,,,, no i meant like Trotsky .


or was it,,
British,, as in Irish Potato Famine,,

or Mao,, during collective's

or maybe the "Wedding Feast" of the bride of CHRIST,,,,,,

u pick


and by the way,,"But just like Marie Antoinette did you just say... ",,it was that or let thier Army's Starve, and loose too the English Crown.
once agin your pick,,


Well played.

One point to you.

Yet the gulf remains.
The issue, as any French baker will tell you,
was that cake is actually more expensive than bread.
And by saying this it reveals how disconnected one class can be
from another class.






To a French baker.
Bread is art, cake a mere specialty.


Mike

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posted on Jul, 30 2013 @ 02:25 PM
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Originally posted by Euphony
TO ME, great art involves a highly skilled creator, sensual (of the senses) balance, personal meaning and is in tune with our personal preferences.






Correct me If I am mistaken,
but I think that this is the definition of massage.


Mike



posted on Jul, 30 2013 @ 02:27 PM
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For me, art is a reflection of the abstract in the physical. If our society is at the point where it perceives a need to regulate thoughts, beliefs and emotions, it will consider itself justified to regulate art as well.



posted on Jul, 30 2013 @ 02:30 PM
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Originally posted by Euphony

Scam ARTISTS =)

It is an art.

But who says they deserve to rule? That doesn't seem to have anything to do with art.




Scam artists I get.

But as the thread title asks
"Is it against the law for us to create art?"
the answer above is a categorical yes.
It is saying yes, the only art we can create is to break the law.


As to the relationship between Art, and the right to rule...
World history says that there is no difference.

/nod
Mike



But don't take my word for it...







posted on Jul, 30 2013 @ 02:32 PM
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How do you regulate art?? Stop people from creating? Change people's perceptions and preferences?

I don't think art can be regulated.



posted on Jul, 30 2013 @ 02:38 PM
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Originally posted by meridie
For me, art is a reflection of the abstract in the physical. If our society is at the point where it perceives a need to regulate thoughts, beliefs and emotions, it will consider itself justified to regulate art as well.


This is the kind of definition I wish I had more talent to poke holes in.
Unfortunately not only is that definition workable,
it is working very well for the current
rulers of Britain. As shown by
ATS threads a plenty.


Mike

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posted on Jul, 30 2013 @ 02:42 PM
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Originally posted by Euphony
How do you regulate art?? Stop people from creating? Change people's perceptions and preferences?

I don't think art can be regulated.







"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free."
- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe


Just as Goethe said about freedom,
so it is for art.
None are more hopelessly uncreative than those who falsely believe they are art.


We buy it.
We wear it.
We consume it.
We recognize it.
We even tattoo it.

But is it legal for us to create it?


Mike
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posted on Jul, 30 2013 @ 02:52 PM
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Art is recreation...

Art is in the eye of the beholder. I don't know who said that.

One man's art is another man's obscenity.

Serial killers ply their trade. In their minds, murder is an advanced art form.

The Art of War.

Soldiers shot the nose of the Sphinx so it wouldn't look so "black".

The Huge Buddha statue in Afghanistan was blown up because of religious intolerance.


But personally, I think we can all recognize an artist when we see one.



posted on Jul, 30 2013 @ 03:04 PM
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Originally posted by intrptr
Art is recreation...

Art is in the eye of the beholder. I don't know who said that.

One man's art is another man's obscenity.

Serial killers ply their trade. In their minds, murder is an advanced art form.

The Art of War.

Soldiers shot the nose of the Sphinx so it wouldn't look so "black".

The Huge Buddha statue in Afghanistan was blown up because of religious intolerance.






Like this?










... and this?







Originally posted by intrptr

But personally, I think we can all recognize an artist when we see one.






Then who is this??






And this?


Mike
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posted on Jul, 30 2013 @ 03:21 PM
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Just click on the question mark after each question
to find out who those two are.


Mike



posted on Jul, 30 2013 @ 03:41 PM
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Art should always Enoble the Heart of man.
what greater Art,, than watching a family grow,
a deed well done,,a moment in the sun,
too shine all his woe away.

me.



posted on Jul, 30 2013 @ 03:44 PM
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Originally posted by BobAthome
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Art should always Enoble the Heart of man.
what greater Art,, than watching a family grow,
a deed well done,,a moment in the sun,
too shine all his woe away.

me.


Outstanding. Touches my heart.

But, we should face facts.

Why, out of all the rappers in the world,
do I have to go to south Korea to find even one
who will sing about their own father.


Mike




Millions of rappers in this country.
And not one sings about "growing a family"
as a "deed well done" ?
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posted on Jul, 30 2013 @ 03:44 PM
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Art is simply the creation of something. Anything can be art.
It all depends on the person viewing it.

I like painting.

Is it art?

Or is it just a painting?



posted on Jul, 30 2013 @ 03:48 PM
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Ha ha, I meant by their art not by their face. If its art it has universal appeal by something we see in the work. Thats what I meant, by recognizing artist-ry.

Yes, math and music are art.



posted on Jul, 30 2013 @ 03:49 PM
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Originally posted by Darkblade71
Art is simply the creation of something. Anything can be art.
It all depends on the person viewing it.

I like painting.

Is it art?

Or is it just a painting?




Is it just a painting?

We have computer algorithms that can answer that question now.



India times .com / Computers can understand art just like humans

The researchers used approximately 1,000 paintings of 34 well-known artists, and let the computer algorithm analyse the similarity between them based solely on the visual content of the paintings, and without any human guidance.

Surprisingly, the computer provided a network of similarities between painters that is largely in agreement with the perception of art historians.




This is my complaint.
Just at the moment in technology
when there should be an explosion in art
and creativity, the propaganda machine has buried the discussion.


Mike
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posted on Jul, 30 2013 @ 03:53 PM
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Yes well, lets not use that computer


Although I have a few paintings I would love to have a computer tell me if it is art or not


I know what you are getting at, but I really doubt in the long run that a computer will decide what is worthy or not to a human mind.
It can figure out what the mind sees as beauty, but not what captures the imagination, as art should do.



posted on Jul, 30 2013 @ 03:54 PM
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Originally posted by intrptr
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Ha ha, I meant by their art not by their face. If its art it has universal appeal by something we see in the work. Thats what I meant, by recognizing artist-ry.

Yes, math and music are art.


Cool


How about an example of what has universal appeal.











If not, give me an opinion on this.
Is it art?


Mike



posted on Jul, 30 2013 @ 03:57 PM
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Originally posted by Darkblade71
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Yes well, lets not use that computer


Although I have a few paintings I would love to have a computer tell me if it is art or not


I know what you are getting at, but [color=gold] I really doubt in the long run that a computer will decide what is worthy or not to a human mind.
It can figure out what the mind sees as beauty, but not what captures the imagination, as art should do.


Just like singers started wearing headphones in the recording booth,
the feed back loop can be invaluable to tuning in on the sound,
or look,
one wants.

The computer analysis doesn't decide for you,
it gives you a feed back loop to help you find
and focus in on your own spark of genius
to bring it out, and give them legs.


Mike
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