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I can't scratch this mental itch that EOY 2013 is actually the real 2012 Mayan end date

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posted on Aug, 1 2013 @ 10:41 PM
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reply to post by BELIEVERpriest
 


That's why I think you got something there, about the 5 day thing.




posted on Aug, 1 2013 @ 10:44 PM
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Originally posted by CircleOfDust
reply to post by eriktheawful
 


I always find it amusing when another culture tries to understand another, esp when that culture rewrites its very own history. I got news for you, they can count better than you and your science god. They could predict things we can't today. How's that for accurate? Very. Try and devise your own calendar and see how well you do.


Please show me anything that this ancient culture predicted, and has come true.

You are claiming that they have, and that it makes their calendar accurate.

Most of the "other cultures" that have studied their cultures, do find the calendar accurate, and many other things that they recorded.........none of which included in "predictions".

So I have news for you: put your money where your mouth is, and show us these "predictions" that they made, that have come true.

I, and many other veteran ATS members that spent all last year waiting for information in this area that can be confirmed are........still waiting.

So let us see your evidence. This isn't Skunk Works. Source it. Otherwise it's nothing more than words you typed on your keyboard.

We'll be waiting.



posted on Aug, 1 2013 @ 10:50 PM
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Right back atcha. Just words. You guys can't even predict Manhattanenge but a few weeks out. Even your predictions for lunar and solar eclipse durations have been off.

And having a calendar that has to add a day every so often accurate? Please.



posted on Aug, 2 2013 @ 12:35 AM
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Originally posted by CircleOfDust
reply to post by eriktheawful
 


Right back atcha. Just words. You guys can't even predict Manhattanenge but a few weeks out. Even your predictions for lunar and solar eclipse durations have been off.

And having a calendar that has to add a day every so often accurate? Please.


Classic deflection. Especially when you have nothing to give.

Again: please show us these predictions that you claim to have come true, and the sources for them. Deflecting by changing the subject (that your brought up) isn't helping your case.

We'll be happy to entertain whatever to bring so we can read it and check out for ourselves. So far, no one has seen anything predicted, and has come to pass.

So please show us what the Mayans predicted, and when it came true.



posted on Aug, 2 2013 @ 10:49 AM
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Im posting and calculating from my phone, so please excuse my mistakes. 2016-71=1945.

My point is either the great cycle ended in 1941 or it continues into 9/16/16. 12/21/12 shouldnt even be on the radar. Its not a miscalculation, its cooking the books.

The Talmudic Jews erroneously observe a 354.75 day lunar calendar. In order to keep their feasts in season, the have to add a 13th month every 2 or 3 years. That just goes to show you cant just ignore the solar year. All non solar calendars must be intercalated. Notice how the average between the 354.75 day lunar cqlendar abd the365.25 day solar cqlendar is 360days even. Why are the sun and moon staggerd by 10.5 days (a multiplyer if 105)? The mayans didnt omit the 5.25 days. The just didnt like them.



posted on Aug, 2 2013 @ 01:44 PM
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Apologies again. Im stuck on 1941. What I meant was either the mayan calendar ended in 1945, or it will continue until 9/16/16. 12/21/12 was totally irrelavent.



posted on Aug, 3 2013 @ 12:28 AM
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off-topic post removed to prevent thread-drift


 



posted on Aug, 3 2013 @ 12:29 AM
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Much appreciated as always. Times they be a changin'.



posted on Aug, 3 2013 @ 02:10 PM
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I, as most of the writers who decided to cash in on the knowledge held by the ancient world, believe that one should retain the data coming from the ancient time keeping to extrapolate into the future. Suppose that there were an ancient civilization using 300-day year, and the members of that civilization predicted something in the future according to their calendar. It would make only sense to stick with that count without making adjustments. The fact that the Mayan Great Cycle ended on a winter solstice day of 2012 (Northern hemisphere) is not a coincidence - the Mayans were constructing their time cycles according to the special cosmic or celestial events.


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posted on Aug, 3 2013 @ 06:41 PM
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I understand your point of view. And I know that what Im saying is controversial. But look at the similarities between mayan numbers and biblical numbers. Maybe the mayans tried to get by with a 360 day calendar, but the great cycle they inhereted was an antediluvian calendar the would soon become the back bone of the mosaic law. Mayans make a point of 144,000 days. 144k is in the book of revelation regarding the witnesses of the 12 tribes of Israel. If you you factor in the 5.25 day omissions from 12/21/12-9/16/16, you get 1365 found in the book of numbers. Its also a multiple of 105 which is 49+7+49. This is a biblical patter of historical trends. 490+70+490 years = 1050*5=5250 aka the great cycle. The 490 can be found in Daniels 70 weeks. So you may be right in the sense that the Mayans deviated from the original calendar as i believe they are semitic in origin, but what Im saying is that similar deviations have occured with the Jews, Muslims, Egyptians and many native american tribes. I believe man branched off from one race, one tribe and one nation, and i think the bible gives us the most accurate account of that. Its not the winter solstice which holds importance, but the vernal equinox that marks the end and therefore the begining of each solar year regardless of how it may have changed over time. I feel the truth is not found in the individual practices of each civilization's distortions, but there is truth in their shared commonalities.



posted on Aug, 3 2013 @ 07:23 PM
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Originally posted by AlphaHawk
I guess the weaker minded folk among us just can't let go of their doom porn addiction.
What do the GFL have to say on this matter?
Someone call Blossom!


Its NOT THAT as much as I percieve there are those of us that are very much disliking their circumstance in this life/world and rather than "get out alive", have the convienient (NO BLAME ATTACHED) option of "IM DEAD AND ITS NOT MY FAULT".
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posted on Aug, 3 2013 @ 07:28 PM
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Originally posted by AfterInfinity
You would think people would be desensitized by the number of doom porn threads we've had here on ATS. I can't help but wonder if the willingness to believe is a symptom of hope that someday, the world WILL end...at least, as we know it. My recommended cure is an extensive scan of all the doom threads posted on ATS that failed to come to fruition. There's a lot to cover, so be sure to set aside a couple of hours to really soak it all in, from the first failed apocalypse to the last dusty blueprints for a rather auspiciously absent armageddon. That should treat most doomsday fevers...and if not, then no one can help you.


Just be sure to do your research before jumping to any conclusions. ATS does feature a most helpful search engine for the earnest doomsday conspirator.


If enough believe it/in the 'doomsday' senario will it happen? (MAYBE;...... much to everyones surprise). Still waiting for the tipping point to show itself; thought it might have been the New Arabic Spring phenom. NOPE.
Before that the discovery of Transfatty acids being harmful; no. Beany Babies, 'strawberry shortcake' no and no again, mind pollution is not working, body pollution is also not working OR THE Koran..last ditch effort to tip the teedertodder. Even the threats by .gov to end space exploration didnt work to sufficiently drive human hope into the dumpster of doom to tilt the Worle.
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posted on Aug, 3 2013 @ 10:17 PM
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There are a few more people apart from you who suspect various links and connections between ancient civilizations, as they culturally influenced one another. These links may appear not coincidental to some people, but there is no historical basis for them, as opposed to the cases where, the research can find out that the Mayans adopted many time-keeping techniques from the Aztecs, for example.

The whole Mayan "prophecy" was very suspicious that it tried to draw attention to itself by mentioning a major catastrophe taking place. That let a peculiar coincidence to jump from a bag: the region where the Mayans settled had experienced a really major event that took place about 65 million years ago, as a huge comet or an asteroid hit what is now the Yucatan Peninsula. The consequences of the impact changed the life on this planet. By a second suspicious coincidence, the longest Mayan cycle called "alautun" is a period of time lasting about 63 million years, which is only a 3.07% deviation from the time of the impact. Add the New Age believe that a mythical planet Nibiru could have come back to the solar system sooner than 2033 (Sitchin) and cause disastrous changes to the earth environment and you see a set of very strange coincidences that should have been explored but were not.



posted on Aug, 3 2013 @ 11:33 PM
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I have to disagree with you. I believe that there is a strong historical connection between all cultures.

1. Linguistic and literary morphology between languages. Many native americal languages share semitic characteristics. Jews worship Yahweh, in some native american cultures, the great spirit is Yahowah.

2. Many native american tribes share a similar creation story,claiming that man was created from red clay. In hebrew, Adam means man and earth.

3. The numerical evidence I have shown speaks for itself. Therefore, the numerical similarities between the Meso Americans, Hebrews, and Egyptians shows a mathematical thread linking HISTORICAL calendars, literary peices, and megalithic monuments. For example, the Mayan calendar hi-lites 144,000. 144,000 apears in the book of revelation, and was the number of limestone bricks covering the giza pyramid. The giza pyramid reveals the 23.5 degree tilt of the earth. The freemasons encrypted the axial tilt on the pyramid on the back of the dollar bill allong with the last 13 katuns of the Meso American round cycle. I only call it the mayan caledar due to its popularity. I prefer to call it the antediluvian calendar.

4. The Tamil decendants in parts of Turkey have a traditional food item called the tamil. Its a meat wrapped in a grainey paste from the local crops (probably corn). The native meso americans have the famous tamale.

These are all historical connections. As far as the 65 million year cycle; it is my hypotheisis that man was been outside of the garden of eden since the fall of Adam...for 6121 years so far. How long Adam and Eve had been in the garden is undisclosed by the Bible (an ancient document whether you consider it myth or history). They could have been there for 200000 years as suggested by the sumerians, or it could have been 65 million years. The hebrew bible doesnt say that earth was created in 6 days, but that it was restored in 6 days. Restored after the destruction of a previous angelic civilization that went sour. Maybe this is what the 65 million year cycle of the calendar reveals. I dont know. But as said before, the mayan calendar either ended in 1945 or ends in 2016. To suggest that it ended in 2012 is mathematically unsound and is indicative of distortion of historical evidence. They either used a 360 day calendar back to back or they included the 5.25 tag along. So if you as a writer wish to refute my findings, then explain to me the double standard calculations.

I dont mean any disrespects, but what evidence do you have to suggest that there is no significant historical link between all major cultures? What evidence can you present to support the 12/21/12 theory? I think Ive made my case.

There are historical links between all civilizations, and almost all ancient myths/accounts describe a flood broght onby a poleshift. A poleshift can perfectly explain the 5.25 day asymmetry in our orbit.



posted on Aug, 3 2013 @ 11:53 PM
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Originally posted by CircleOfDust
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Is that the best you could do in real time? I guess you live up to your name though.


Can't help but notice you didn't answer him.
Twice.
How 'bout them predictions?



posted on Aug, 4 2013 @ 09:17 AM
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Originally posted by Pauligirl

Originally posted by CircleOfDust
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Is that the best you could do in real time? I guess you live up to your name though.


Can't help but notice you didn't answer him.
Twice.
How 'bout them predictions?



This about the 4th thread where posters are asking for the OP to supply anything to back their claims.

The jokes on us readers of the OP threads.

Have a look for yourselves,



posted on Aug, 4 2013 @ 10:36 AM
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Originally posted by Pauligirl

Originally posted by CircleOfDust
reply to post by eriktheawful
 


Is that the best you could do in real time? I guess you live up to your name though.


Can't help but notice you didn't answer him.
Twice.
How 'bout them predictions?


If you look through the threads created by the OP and posts by them, you'll begin to see a pattern that will indicate a certain type of behavior on here.

While I could go into much more detail, it is technically against the TCs to talk about the members here. As mods will post in friendly reminders "Go after the ball, not the member."

The problem is that we play by the rules, but the OP doesn't and frequently violates this rule by refusing to answer questions, cite sources and instead deflects and/or insults people participating in the threads if they do not give a "Yes" man reply.

As you pointed out, the OP made a claim in this thread, and I (and now you and others) have asked for examples and to cite sources for those examples.

Instead, the OP replies with deflection and insult.

But it is a answer to our question: The OP has no examples with sources to cite, meaning it's a wild claim with no truth to it.

It also shows any reader of this and other threads this OP has made, as to what kind of responses you will get.



posted on Aug, 4 2013 @ 11:42 AM
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There has been always some influence among cultures due to migration, but the ethnic character of the Meso-americans who migrated to the Americas puts them outside a major influence of the Mediterranean ancient cultures. You can see close similarities among the Hebrew and the Persian calendars, but the Aztec and Mayan calendars are maintained in a different way.

The origin of the recreation of the earth story is a mysterious one and it could come up from very ancient Asian cultures. The Meso-americans are much closer to the reality of the earth having had experienced major periods of near life extinction in its history, because, for example, the Mayans believed that the earth is being destroyed and recreated at the end of a cycle called pictun (2,880,000 days). Due to the sheer ignorance of the New Age writers and their primitive brain massaging, many incredible coincidences attached to the Mayan cultural phenomenon of 2012 have been lost, such as the one I've already mentioned. So once again: It wasn't pictun but alautun (23,040,000,000 days) that get you approximately to the time of the last major life destruction event on this planet when a comet or an asteroid hit what is today Yucatan Peninsula, which became 65 million years later home to the Mayans. Which other ancient cultures apart from the American natives believed in a periodical destruction and recreation of the earth?

The alautun is probably the longest named period in any calendar.
1 alautun = 20 kinchiltun = 23,040,000,000 days = approx. 63 million (tropical) years.

There is no historical evidence that the Mayans added the period of 12 baktuns to their belief of destruction and recreation of the earth, as some of the New Age writers tried to maintain. So the issue of precision that you have raised is in this respect irrelevant. If you set 360 days = 1 Mayan year, then the Great Cycle ended on 12/21/2012; if you set 365.25 = 1 solar year, then the Great Cycle ends later than that. That, of course is not what the Mayans intended. So you need to find some other ancient culture which was using the tropical year and made some prophecy regarding the date 9/16/2016.



posted on Aug, 4 2013 @ 12:20 PM
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Originally posted by CircleOfDust
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I always find it amusing when another culture tries to understand another, esp when that culture rewrites its very own history. I got news for you, they can count better than you and your science god. They could predict things we can't today. How's that for accurate? Very. Try and devise your own calendar and see how well you do.



You always find it amusing?


Are you constantly laughing at yourself for trying understand the Mayan culture or are you saying you are a part of that culture?



posted on Aug, 4 2013 @ 04:13 PM
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Ok. We are going around in circles here. First you say that there is no historical basis for the similarities between cultures, now you say an insignificant amount of similarities exist. What Im saying is that the Mayan calendar came from the first Hebrew calendar. It wasnt until Israel's Babylonian enslavement that the Jews adopted the alien luni/solar calendar and that the hebrew word 'rosh chodesh' was changed from meaning head of the month to new moon. If you examine the syllable metering of the hebrew old testament you will notice that the Jews expected human history to last for 5250 years from the fall of Adam. Im telling you that considering the similarities between the meso americans and the semites, It is more likely that the meso americans inhereted the 5250 year cycle from the hebrews (or the pre hebrew patriarchs).

And again you still have not addressed the mathematical inconsistancies regarding 12/21/12. IF THE MAYANS FOLLOWED A 360 DAY CALENDAR, THE CYCLE WOULD HAVE ENDED IN 1945.

The only way to arrive at 12/21/12 would be to observe a 365.25 day year until the beginning of the last 13 katuns and then arbitrarily switch to a 360 day only year. What evidence is there of an arbitrary switch scheduled to take place in 1756 AD?

Im under the impression that you are either not paying attention to my retorts, or you for some unknown reason are dodging the real mathematical issue.



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