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Originally posted by JimOberg
"Alien spacecraft" is always a valid candidate hypothesis, and space is where one would expect to encounter them, or traces of them.
But it's not the first, or even twenty-first explanation you test, based on half a century's experience with real spaceflight..
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Originally posted by The GUT
"Particular" phenomenon seems to suggest, well, particular, and as such would suggest you feel you know what the highlighted items in the video are. If the videos are real, the phenomenon contained within seem pretty distinctive and consistent.
Btw, Jim, in your experience, has NASA shown much of an interest in plasma physics and if so, under what categories?
Originally posted by JimOberg
Also, of course, all NASA solar observatories, and the HST, are involved in watching plasma. So I'm puzzled you'd even wonder about it.
Given the remarkable properties of these plasmas, scientists have been debating whether they could be considered a form of life. The ability of plasma to self-organize so impressed the great physicist David Bohm, who was one of the primary research partners of Albert Einstein, that he remarked he frequently had the impression that plasmas were alive and that they had many of the properties of organic life. Modeling has shown that plasmas can imitate the functions of a simple cell, having a semipermeable cell wall through which they can “feed” by absorbing other less-organized plasma. In fact, plasmas were named after their similarities with living blood cells.
V. N. Tsytovich, another scientist based at the Russian Academy of Science, has shown how plasmas can self-organize when exposed to electrical charge. Tsytovich has developed his observations into a theory of what he calls inorganic life. The principal location of these is in the helical dust structures that have been seen to form around stars and in interstellar space.
In a gravity-free environment, these plasma particles bead together to form string-like filaments, which will then twist into helix-shaped strands closely resembling DNA. These structures are electrically charged and are attracted to each other. They are able to “feed” by assimilating other less-organized plasmas through their boundary walls. They can “reproduce” by amoeba-like splitting, and each of the plasma's offspring retains the capacity for self-organizing, growth, and further reproduction. According to Tsytovich, “they are autonomous, they reproduce, and they evolve,” behavior fulfilling enough criteria, in his opinion, to be considered a form of life.
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Originally posted by Urantia1111
reply to post by JimOberg
Don't get lost Jim. To be expicit, I'm suggesting that you'll promote ANY explanation for this highy unusual footage as long as its not "alien spacecraft", largely because it is your function to do so. I'm also suggesting that NASA knows very well that Earth is routinely visited by extraterrestrial craft and goes to great lengths to hide it or explain it away as ice crystals.
Originally posted by JimOberg
Not trying to be cute -- white dots out the window is a pretty generic kind of spaceflight phenomenon that can cover lots of routine stuff, and once and awhile, a clue from your spacecraft that you may soon die. So you pay attention.
Originally posted by JimOberg
Originally posted by Urantia1111
reply to post by JimOberg
Don't get lost Jim. To be expicit, I'm suggesting that you'll promote ANY explanation for this highy unusual footage as long as its not "alien spacecraft", largely because it is your function to do so. I'm also suggesting that NASA knows very well that Earth is routinely visited by extraterrestrial craft and goes to great lengths to hide it or explain it away as ice crystals.
I know a lot of people sincerely believe this. In my experience it correlates with a lack of any realistic familiarity with real space flight, combined with a boatload of misconceptions and wild guesses about the subject.
That's why I composed my "99 FAQs", to try to establish a baseline of common facts for considering and evaluating objects seen outside spacecraft. You do note that I consider proper identification to be vital for mission success and even crew safety, based on past events.
With stakes so high and issues so impassioned, I've found a helpful technique is to once and awhile, make believe the 'other guy' is right and you're wrong, and try to follow through the logic of such arguments.
I'd be obliged if you would identify the factual errors -- or misstatements -- that you think i've been presenting on these subjects. Just not liking the conclusions should never be a selection factor on which things to believe are 'facts' and which, fiction.
ADD -- I think your going-in misconception that has derailed your argument is that these videos are 'highly unusual'. The opposite is true, in my experience. They show precisely what one expects to see -- and does see -- around a spacecraft in orbit. I explain why in my '99 FAQs'. Frankly, if you don't read it, your pretense of wanting to find out what these videos show, is just empty posturing.edit on 30-7-2013 by JimOberg because: add add
Originally posted by eManym
They look like ice crystals on the window being imaged through. The trails are pieces of the ice crystals breaking off and vaporizing into space. The triangle formation close to the end of the video, appear to have been cleverly added with image editing software.
Originally posted by Gu1tarJohn
reply to post by chunder
Interesting. Glad to see one that I can't instantly call a mis-identification or hoax. Several of them look like the could be space junk/debris, but a couple seem to move away from earth or skim the atmosphere. That's not behavior I would expect from space junk nor debris. Well, I guess it could skip off the atmosphere maybe once before entering it and burning up. but still, pretty cool!