UK to Censor Esoteric Websites

reply to post by Knobby


See post directly above yours for secondary source.

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reply to post by Eidolon23


Rehashed is not really an indepenant secondary source... I don't need a second line.

Originally posted by Eidolon23

UK to Censor Esoteric Websites

www.ultraculture.org

UK Prime Minister David Cameron has recently set large segments of the world up in arms by deciding to set up a country-wide firewall that will block access to pornography unless citizens opt out. (Similar measures were tried earlier across the EU and summarily thrown out.) But the block apparently won’t be limited to porn: ISPs will also be forced to block violent material, extremist sites, pro-anorexia and pro-suicide sites, alcohol, smoking, web forums (?!) and even… esoteric material.

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So nice of Cameron and crew to be taking England back to the dark ages.
Up next, the American Inquisition, aka Guantanamo for all.

Banning esoteric sites is an attack on religious freedom.

Hate to say I told ya so....... Crap like this always happens, allow them to censor an inch, and they will censor a mile. You should in theory be able to get around it using the TOR browser bundle, people in china, iran, etc use it to get around their stupid censorship policies.

Originally posted by Ameilia
reply to post by Eidolon23

 

Well, I make a living writing about esoteric stuff and about 12% of my business comes from the UK. Obviously people in the UK are interested in these things.

I'm in the same field and I can vouch for that statement. In fact, I'd say about half of my clients are from the UK.

reply to post by pirhanna



Filtering them certainly is discriminatory. I may be a Christian, but I am proud of my Welsh roots, and our pre-Roman cultures. I think we have a lot still to learn about the herbalist druids, thier practices, and thier plant knowledge, and how they came by it. The culture that we used to have here in Britain was in much more equilibrium with its surroundings than we ever are today, and I am not suggesting that we could or should return to PRECISELY that place in advancement...

But it does seem to me that trying to bury our pasts dooms us to repeat the worst excesses of yesteryear, and given that I personally have sought to avoid doing that in terms of both my personal family life, and to be mindful of our past errors nationally, when voting and deciding my position on all manner of matters important to our times, I find this all very dark and suspicious.

reply to post by Eidolon23


Isn't all of this stuff easily blocked by "parental controls" on the computer already? I know schools and libraries use them. I understand that having the government directly involved makes the difference, but it sounds to me like this is a ploy to advance some other agenda, different than the one it would appear to be.

A bit of info on the company thats doing the blocking in the uk with talktalk.

The pornography filtering system praised by David Cameron is controlled by the controversial Chinese company Huawei, the BBC has learned.

UK-based employees at the firm are able to decide which sites TalkTalk's net filtering service blocks. Politicians in both the UK and US have raised concerns about alleged close ties between Huawei and the Chinese government.

The company says the worries are without foundation and prejudiced. On Monday the Prime Minister said TalkTalk had shown "great leadership" in setting up its system, Homesafe, which it has offered to customers since 2011. TalkTalk told the BBC it was comfortable with its relationship with Huawei, and that the service was very popular.

BBC

Cameron was in china a little while ago maybe he was asking for tips
on how to censor free speech.

reply to post by skuly


If I were Cameron, I would be more concerned with state security being in the hands of the Chinese, rather than porn sites...you don't think he's trying to deflect the real issues of the IT game with a little porn sideshow? Perish the thought.

He's going for a U-turn on this, and in a few weeks, it will be forgotten.

David Cameron retreats in war on internet porn, admitting there will be 'problems down the line'

...apart from the fact that the Chinese will be listening in.

Originally posted by TKDRL
Hate to say I told ya so....... Crap like this always happens, allow them to censor an inch, and they will censor a mile. You should in theory be able to get around it using the TOR browser bundle, people in china, iran, etc use it to get around their stupid censorship policies.

It's all good saying, we could just use the TOR browser, but this shouldn't be happening. We as a nation the US included seem to be moving backwards instead of forward.

It's like people love all things autocratic, and were willing this to happen because it sounded fun and would make a good movie. Now that motions are being driven towards that direction, it's all gotten too real and people are only just starting to wake up.

Now I know these are only small steps, but once the foots in the door It's hard to close it.

How far is too far? What if one day I have to use TOR? I believe that will be the day that 1984 begins.

reply to post by skuly


Bloody good effort skully. Top researching on the fly!

And this information should concern us all. Surely if we are talking about blocking content from the web for British consumption, the government should have to do it on thier own, and spend the money on it right here in the UK, if they really want to keep up the illusion that they currently, or ever have given a flying *unrepeatable in polite company* what the people think and feel on any given topic.

Favorite comment so far:

You can have my necronomicon when you pry it from my cold dead Lich claws!!!!!!

I wonder if this means ATS will soon lose it's UK members.

Thats messed up. They have got to fight this crap.

Technically, my website ceased to be "esoteric " the minute it went online. But since its called "Esoteric Arts Chicago " I suppose my UK friends may not be seeing it much longer...

reply to post by JohnPhoenix


Well, since these measures are only being applied to new set ups, rather than existing accounts as far as I know, that wont be a problem for the momeInt. But regardless, you can bet the farm, that I will be in my local MPs face till he gets a phobia of beards, ale sweat, and heavy metal. I am going to send snail mail, e-mails, I am going to visit his office, and I will not be sitting on my arse on this.

I would imagine that my fellow British members will also be all over this like flies on a corpse, like the maggots which will later hatch, and use the decaying matter as the fuel for thier first flight.

This is being done to please a tiny minority theocracy group possibly? Thats what I'm now thinking, and forums are mentioned.

Originally posted by DAZ21
reply to post by Lunarian

 

Most likely.

Also we are to have modesty bags to cover up inappropriate material (girls in bikinis) on all magazines containing the material.

What next, modesty bags for women on the beaches?

This country is rapidly falling into dystopia.

Girls in bikini's are not porn, and they are allowed to wear them and be photo'd in them and displayed in them and if the minority theocracy doesnt like it, GO BACK HOME.

Originally posted by MDDoxs
Pirate radio anyone?

Where there is objection, there will be a way....hopefully

edit on 29-7-2013 by MDDoxs because: (no reason given)

There has always been talk of all websites moving to encrypted communications using https, rather than unencrypted http, or moving to torrent services like Tor.

Then the government would also have to filter out all non-official IP addresses, so that you could only ftp,http,https to your upstream ISP. Than would block a whole load of game servers.

reply to post by TrueBrit


Thanks for the info.. at least that is some good news.

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I'm not sure how many providers there are in the UK but i came across this yesterday and was going to add to the other thread but it got closed. Hopefully all ISP's come forward like this.

The recent porn block in the UK has Andrews and Arnold saying that if you want internet censorship, you should “move to North Korea.”
Read more at www.inquisitr.com...

Cheering for censorship of things you don't like only opens the door for things you do like to be censored too, essentially you're giving some other person with authority the authority to judge what is good for the public and what isn't.

We should all be able to determine what is good and safe for our own selves and families, dontcha think?