Originally posted by Ophiuchus 13
reply to post by Arken
Arken thanks for the informative share. Yes STARS Satellites do exist, and you can somewhat read from the vocal shares that they were seeing
1 would think most Astronauts are briefed on what debris or potential other space force techs would be present in the region they worked and the way
they sounded it seemed they seen unidentified something's... Logic says they the Astronauts would be told after first few exposures to adjust their
vocal descriptions when sharing what they seen so STARS Satellites in space, weather balloon swamp gas on EA*RTH = something to 1 subjectively
. Something that crosses the mind is hostility questions or were they ever shared to be or not. Thanks again for the share Arken
Your detailed description of your line of reasoning is helpful and much appreciated.
Your assumptions are reasonable if outer space were just like Earth [and its atmosphere].
But what I keep running into is how such assumptions are not helpful, and often are distinctly UNhelpful, when applied to unearthly situations.
Without any intentional prejudicial put-downs, I have come to believe that there is a definite inverse correlation between familiarity with the
spaceflight environment, and preference with non-prosaic, 'UFO'like' theories.
To try to remedy this problem, I composed my "99 FAQs About 'Space UFOs'", located on my home page [see my signature]. So much that any person
with normal experience range would 'think' ought to be true about spaceflight, just isn't -- for reasons that very few people have ever really had
to deal with.
Good example: "I would think most Astronauts are briefed on what debris or potential other space force techs would be present in the region they
worked. " That's a completely reasonable expectation for operations on Earth's surface, on or under the oceans, even in the air. Things are
located where they are PUT, with minor wind and current adjustments.
But not in space. Things in orbit stay that way by immense horizontal speed that circles the entire planet, and everything else in orbit ALSO circles
the planet, criss-crossing EVERY other orbit twice with each pass. Objects 20 miles apart could be 10,000 miles apart in half an hour and then, an
hour later, be ten miles apart. We aren't in Kansas any more.
Another case in point: the astronauts observed several objects drifting across their flight path, and interpreted this as they would an aircraft
crossing their own vehicle's path -- the flight directions must be at a sharp angle. The objects looked like they were 'in polar orbit'.
But objects in different-inclined orbits cross each other's path at extremely high speeds. For a plane difference of only one degree, the crossing
rate is 440 ft/sec. [you can do the trig -- use a base speed of 25,000 ft/sec ]. For thirty degrees, where something near polar orbit would have to be
[or farther], that's a crossing speed of 12,000 ft/sec -- more than two MILES per second. Small objects would flash by and not even be noticed.
What the crew must have been seeing, based on the relatively gentle path-crossing speed, is stuff VERY close to their own orbital path. Most likely it
was stuff sprayed out of the main object they were chasing, the second stage. Anything pushed sideways to your own vehicle's flight path will -- in
space -- quickly reverse direction and in less than an hour swing back in front of you headed the other way. Unlike in Kansas.
It's really weird out there and stuff does unexpected things -- in Earthside terms. That has led to so much of the mass misunderstandings of what is
seen, imaged, and otherwise documented.