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Does Utah Have An 'area 51'?

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posted on Nov, 10 2004 @ 08:07 AM
I have read an article on this subject and seen a picture taken of a warning sign at the base entrance and its eerily reminicent of the kinda warning sign posted at Area51. Is there anyone in Utah who could possibly varify or check out the uthenticity of this story?

Dave Rosenfeld and members of his group captured the images using a variety of cameras and telescopes. From miles away, perched on public property, they've photographed large hangars, security cameras and other odd things. And they've been caught.

Dave Rosenfeld/ Pres. Utah UFO Hunters: "And definitely been watched. Once you pull up to the fence line, they know you are there."

here is the link for those who are interested

posted on Nov, 10 2004 @ 08:18 AM
If so, that would explain a great deal of the STRAY LIGHT that shows up at

which is to the East and ESPECIALLY--

to the southwest. This is where I get most "over-the-top" stray light photos any time of the day--morning, noon or sunset.

[edit on 10-11-2004 by Emily_Cragg]

posted on Nov, 10 2004 @ 09:07 AM
thanks for the links, what is that strange light/object in the first picture?

Im gonna search for satelite images of the area, if I can find them I'll post the links for you

posted on Nov, 10 2004 @ 09:33 AM
That's the sunrise totally overloading the ability of the camera lens to capture light.

Happens all the time. Nothing to worry about.

What I look for is extra luminosity away from the direction of the sun [as in the second link now]. Where is that horizon light coming from, to the West?

And of course, there are extra objects out there the Gummint doesn't want to speak to.

How do we know this? Some of us have been capturing these objects in files for the past couple of years, that's how. I personally have about 500 of such files, photos of objects that don't belong hanging up there in the sky like an apple on a tree day and night or night-after-night.

posted on Nov, 10 2004 @ 09:35 AM
No, we don't have an Area 51, although we at one time had a lot to do with the Atomic Energy Commission, since we mined veritable amounts of uranium and radium.

Area 51 (and 52, 56, 9, etc.) were all AEC designations for areas dealing with the American nuclear program, military and civilian energy. Area 51 has not actually been called 'Area 51' since 1975, when the AEC was dissolved and became part of the US Dept. of Energy.

The sign the site refers to is standard outside any military proving ground, so this 'Area 51' might as well be any one of hundreds across the United States. From what I understand of the subject, alien 'materiel' was quickly disseminated amongst many different military and civilian industry facilities, each focusing on different aspects of whatever was found. And this would also help with the covering up process. To keep everything in one place would be well, putting all your eggs in one basket, so to speak.

By the way, I like how the article referred to the 'B-2 stealth fighter'... BRILLIANT!!!

Anyway, do we have strange things going on in Utah? Yes we do. If you want a real conspiracy, look no further than the Mormons!

[edit on 10-11-2004 by DeltaChaos]

posted on Nov, 10 2004 @ 09:46 AM
Emery county is nowhere near Dugway. But what is strange about either one of those pictures you posted, Emily?

posted on Nov, 10 2004 @ 09:52 AM
There is no strangeness this morning. And I'm interested to hear Dugway is nowhere near this place. That makes their stray light patterns even more interesting.

Sometime I'll show you their file of odd light patterns. Just a minute. Let me get a sequence that Kent Steadman patched together for me. Let's try this.


posted on Nov, 10 2004 @ 09:56 AM
I've seen that webcam before, and you know what? All I see are some contrails and some cirrus clouds at sunset or sunrise, likely sunrise. Nothing strange there at all.

What bingo?

[edit on 10-11-2004 by DeltaChaos]

posted on Nov, 10 2004 @ 10:05 AM
I got it to work, silly. That in itself is something for me to contend with--all these springenwerken, codes and buttons.

Come on. Laugh!!

You sound as if you need to lighten up, just as I do.

This all gets so crazy and strange, it's difficult to know what to do next.

posted on Nov, 10 2004 @ 10:17 AM

Originally posted by Emily_Cragg
This all gets so crazy and strange, it's difficult to know what to do next.

I'd like to lighten up, but it's difficult when you constantly try to make something out of nothing. Doesn't it seem strange to you that you are the only one who sees the things you do?

I, like many others here who feel the need to live up to our motto, get into this argument all the time. It just seems to me that there are those who will insist on seeing what they want to see, or rather what they'd like to see. Most here have trained themselves to first see things for what they are, and then if they don't understand what they see, try to find a reasonable explanation.

This is now completely off topic, but as far as Dugway goes, yes there are technologies being tested there with which very few of us have any knowledge or experience. Directed energy weapons, active radar tracking, holographics, perhaps. All of which will cause strange, unidentified things to appear in the sky.

posted on Nov, 10 2004 @ 10:25 AM
I'm sorry. I'm UP-TO-HERE with the secrets, the lies, the deceptions, the tricks, the fraud, the influence-peddling, and the parodies of representative government that no longer exists.

I've had it. I'll expose FEDs lying anywhich way I can. My issue is that nobody in Gummint has even a shred of integrity anymore.

They--as a CLASS--no longer deserve the role of "civil servants."

I want them--ALL--out. Do we secede? Do we sue, class-action-wise? Do we invoke the FBI and Judiciary to proceed with charges of TREASON?

What do we have to do to get the lies to stop????

That's my question.

And the matter of Majestic12 [1947] in which ALL near-earth phenomena are classified as Top Secret is at the top of my pile; because it means, by definition, any Intelligent Being who shows up here is going to get abused by the Feds--killed, incarcerated, immobilized and despised by the authorities.

Any ETs who dare to land here are subjects for torture and interrogation.

That's wrong.

Can you imagine, after years of being on a starship, to be received by a planet's intelligence community and immediately, without charges and without accusations, being treated as criminals, just for showing up?


[edit on 10-11-2004 by Emily_Cragg]

posted on Nov, 10 2004 @ 10:33 AM

Originally posted by Emily_Cragg
I'm sorry. I'm UP-TO-HERE with the secrets, the lies, the deceptions, the tricks, the fraud, the influence-peddling, and the parodies of representative government that no longer exists.

I see, so what I hear you saying, is that everything is a lie, and all lies are conceived and perpetuated by the 'Gummint'. Still, this is no reason to believe that the Sun has arms, or that smokestacks in Emery county are a government UFO coverup. If you see some clouds in a picture, and they happen to be somewhat oval shaped, this is no reason to assume that they are UFOs, or something in the sky that doesn't belong, and the government has something to do with it.

If you could solidify and clarify your points on this topic as well as you did the UNESCO thing, I might be able to copy. Over.

posted on Nov, 10 2004 @ 10:41 AM
I haven't firmed up any conclusions, so I can't do it yet.

What I have done is transcribe my copy of the Majestic12 policy doctrine so I could actually read it. And that document is an outrage. Go take a look at it. It's in the files here.

Our Gummint is made up of a bunch of predatory animals, that's what, only interested in self-aggrandizement. I don't trust any of them--not one. Nowhere. No, not in ANY single Department. They all lie like rugs.

And that's my opinion, based on all the data I have seen, everywhere. I've been at this for six years--retired--perusing Gummint data. It's ALL lies.

You want to get tangled up in their lies? Go to HHS and CDC sites and try to figure out death rates over the last ten years. GOOD LUCK! They have that so confounded, you'll never make sense of it. On purpose, no doubt.

Here. An article from

MORTALITY REQUIRES EXAMINATION from Clifford E Carnicom, Mar 22 2004
The following information has been provided by a citizen as a basis for further inquiry and examination:

"Dear Clifford,

I have been very curious as to whether or not the chemtrails have increased the death rate. I found it very difficult to get any official figures to compare from different years so I decided to do an informal check using the classified death listing archives from my local newspaper.

I was shocked at what I found. These figures are truly alarming. I compared the number of death notices for the same two months (Jan and Feb) going back for approx ten years (to compare pre chemtrails years with chemtrails years). This is what I found:

Year Death Notice Totals for Jan-Feb:
1995 .......... 191
1996 .......... 134
1997 .......... 105
1998 .......... 98
1999 .......... 144
2000 .......... 196
2001 .......... 1680
2002 .......... 1734
2003 .......... 1728

As you can see the totals for 2003 are almost 10 times higher than the totals for 1995. This seems way out of line and very alarming even taking into consideration an aging population. Perhaps there is another reason for these figures but I suspect it is a result of the chemtrails and what we are seeing may be the result of a deliberate depopulation campaign. These figures are from the San Francisco Chronicle death notice archives. For accuracy the actual newspaper archives should be doublechecked aginst the online archives because death notices that were originally listed in the newspaper are not necessarily included in the online archives. This is only done with the families permission.

Perhaps you could ask people in other communities to run this check to see what figures they come up with. I appreciate your efforts on behalf of the greater community. Best Regards,"

Anonymous by Request

posted on Nov, 10 2004 @ 01:56 PM

Originally posted by Emily_Cragg
Our Gummint is made up of a bunch of predatory animals...

I read the rest, I really did, but I really like this. It got me to thinking.

Where else in our country can we find predatory animals? The first thing that comes to my mind is corporations. They basically prey on our sense of necessity, which they themselves create, like bait, and then we work tirelessly to further their aims.

I wouldn't know, because I didn't go to high school, but from what I hear, this 'high school' is full of predators. Kids can be so cruel...

I would say that I distrust the government more than anyone I know personally, and for good reason. Personally, I'm not so concerned about the UFO cover-up. I believe there is one, and I believe beyond doubt that aliens have been here, and continue to be. But frankly, there are much worse lies that the government has told us, and continue to tell us. You know what they are.

But more than the government, I am angry with the People, for allowing this to happen. Maybe we were naive in the beginning, when the government first began to hide from us these things, but we are not naive now, and it is still a country of We the People.

Isn't it?

posted on Nov, 10 2004 @ 01:57 PM
Apologies to radiant_obsidian,

We have really gotten off track here, haven't we? You probably don't mind.

posted on Nov, 10 2004 @ 05:29 PM
Your standard government research site sign. WSMR, KAFB, NTS have them.

Those clouds look like lenticular clouds. Formed on the downwind sides of mountain ranges. Air flows over the plains, gets lifted by a mountain slope. Gets to the altitude where moisture turns to dew, a cloud forms. They can hang in the same spot for hours.

There may in fact be flying objects in them. Glider pilots love then; lets you see where to find lift. A series of lenticular clouds is called a "cloud street"; popular with glider guys who want to do a long cross country.

posted on Nov, 10 2004 @ 07:51 PM
It can't really be too much of a secret place, considering that there is a sign for it off the interstate. I am in the military, and am stationed in Utah, and I go out there all the time to work in conjunction with my job. I have not seen or heard anything crazy out there...take it for what its worth from me. That doesnt mean that there isnt anything out there. I have a top secret clearence, but I only have access to what pertains to my job.

posted on Nov, 11 2004 @ 07:21 AM
No worries DeltaChaos about getting a lil off topic, its all good from where Im sitting hehehehe

And thanks to emily_cragg for your input so far.
I think our reply from JoeMacUSAF answers my question fully, so I think I'll leave this topic alone, unless I find anymore usefull info about the topic.
thanks all

posted on Jan, 10 2009 @ 06:38 PM
reply to post by radiant_obsidian

I live in Delta, town about 40 miles from this "secret base", Its name is Michael Air Force Base, and though it doesnt show up on many maps it is definitely there, I am a pilot and have been able to get close enough to see it from the air, have also been chastised for doing it. The base is part of a huge tract of land that the US military uses for various weapons testing, Its existence is well known by the locals here, and we have witnessed many strange lights and other occurrences from that area over the years. The area is well guarded and patrolled, and due to the live weapons testing that occurrs there I wouldnt recommend wandering out into it unless you want to become a "memory in a crater".


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