reply to post by Dianec
Your picture of Creation is not what i mean by Creation.
You talk of atoms moving around and splitting.
But if they're moving around and splitting, then they already exist.
That's a much later stage than what I'm talking about.
What I'm talking about is the "event" (using the term loosely) which brings the whole mass of space and time into existence in the first place.
I do n ot try to picture this, because I know that it would be unimaginable.
You suggest that God might be an "offshoot" of something else, that he might be "within" the universe.
But if he is an "offshoot", and "within", then he cannot be that which is ultimate.
I'm talking about that which is ultimate.
Take whatever you mean by "everything"- the whole universe, ourselves within it.
Now you need to look beyond
that, because the Creator God is that which is "beyond" everything (in a metaphysical sense), which is distinct
from that "everything", and brought the "everything" into existence in the first place.
One reason we know the Biblical God must be distinct from us is that the Bible presents him as communicating
We not not communicate, in any real way, with portions of ourselves.
That is one way we know that God is distinct from "the whole world" and not a portion of it.
edit on 31-7-2013 by DISRAELI because: (no reason given)