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posted on Jul, 27 2013 @ 09:24 PM
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So, I was doing a bit of reading today on planetary symbols, and association of the Ancient cultures when I noticed something a little startling..

Mysteries of Saturn


Straight from the NASA website: "This is a very strange feature, lying in a precise geometric fashion with six nearly equally straight sides," said Kevin Baines, atmospheric expert and member of Cassini's visual and infrared mapping spectrometer team at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. "We've never seen anything like this on any other planet. Indeed, Saturn's thick atmosphere where circularly-shaped waves and convective cells dominate is perhaps the last place you'd expect to see such a six-sided geometric figure, yet there it is."


Now, what I find unusually interesting about this, is not only did this geometric shape create itself in nature, the Ancients knew about this before the Cassini space probe even discovered such a thing in 2007.

Now what is exactly so great about the hexagon, it's just a shape isn't it? Well, ancient civilizations gave credence to the power of symbols, and seals, which is why often, they developed languages of symbols or pictures, much like hieroglyphics.

The hexagon is the geometric shaped created inside of a hexagram.


In geometry, a hexagon (from Greek ἕξ hex, "six" and γονία, gonía, "corner, angle") is a polygon with six edges and six vertices.



The hexagram, like the pentagram, was and is used in practices of the occult and ceremonial magic and is attributed to the 7 "old" planets outlined in astrology.

The six-pointed star is commonly used both as a talisman and for conjuring spirits in the practice of witchcraft. In the book The History and Practice of Magic, Vol. 2, the six-pointed star is called the talisman of Saturn and it is also referred to as the Seal of Solomon.[3] Details are given in this book on how to make these symbols and the materials to use.

Dr. John Dee, the court astrologist of Queen Elizabeth I, in his book Hieroglyphic Monad, includes the following quote: "'Mahatma Letters,' page 345: 'The double triangle viewed by the Jewish Kabbalists as Solomon's Seal is...the Sri--Antana of the Archaic Aryan Temple, the Mystery of Mysteries, a geometrical synthesis of the whole occult doctrine. The two interlaced triangles are the Buddham-Gums of Creation. They contain the 'squaring of the Circle,' the 'Philosophers' Stone,' the great problems of Life and Death--the mystery of Evil. The Chela who can explain this sign from every one of its aspects is virtually an Adept.'"[4]

Traditionally, the Hexagram can be seen as the combination of the four elements. The triangle with the point upwards symbolizes Fire, and with a horizontal line across its center symbolizes Air. The triangle with the point downwards symbolizes Water, and with a horizontal line across its center symbolizes Earth. The two combined create the Hexagram, and hence a combination of the elements.


However, the hexagram has it's uses and applications outside the study of merely the Occult aspect of life. It appears often in Freemasonry, Judaism, and Buddhism.


"The interlacing triangles or deltas symbolize the union of the two principles or forces, the active and passive, male and female, pervading the universe ... The two triangles, one white and the other black, interlacing, typify the mingling of apparent opposites in nature, darkness and light, error and truth, ignorance and wisdom, evil and good, throughout human life." – Albert G. Mackey: Encyclopedia of Freemasonry

The hexagram, one of the world's most ancient symbols, is featured within and on the outside of many Masonic temples as a decoration. It may have been found within the structures of King Solomon's temple, from which Freemasons are inspired in their philosophies and studies. Like many other symbols in Freemasonry, the deciphering of the hexagram is non-dogmatic and left to the interpretation of the individual.


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Look very carefully at the top of the Talisman...You'll notice a little 6 pointed star, or Hexagram..


In the endocrine system, Anahata is associated with the thymus gland, located in the chest. This gland produces T-cells, that combat disease, and bring equilibrium to the body. The functioning of the thymus is greatest before puberty and is impaired by the appearance of sex hormones in the blood stream from puberty onwards.Many Western occultists associate this central chakra with the central sephirah, Tiphereth, in the kabbalistic tree of life. Christian kabbalists in particular associate this sephirah with love, healing and Jesus Christ as God the Son.


I find it almost startling that so many olden cultures and belief systems placed so much association between the Planet of Saturn, meant to stand in for Satan to some in Astro-theology, and the Hexagram.


A Masonic book called The Second Mile, an Eastern Star book, reveals that the "six pointed star is a very ancient symbol, and one of the most powerful." The hexagram is used in magic, witchcraft, sorcery and occultism and the casting of zodiacal horoscopes by astrologers. "It was considered to posses mysterious powers."

The six pointed star is used by magicians and alchemists. The sorcerers believed it represented the footprints of a special kind of DEMON called a trued and used it in ceremonies both to call up demons and to keep them away (O. J. Graham, The Six Pointed Star, New Puritan Library, 1988, p.35).

Bill Schnoebelen, a former Satanist, says, "To the sorcerer, the hexagram is a powerful tool to invoke Satan." In fact, the word "hex" -- as to put a "hex" or "curse" on people -- comes from this word.

If you examine the so-called "Star of David," or hexagram, closely, you will discover something astonishing. It has six points, forms six equilateral triangles, and in its interior forms a six sided hexagon -- thus it reveals the number of Satan’ antichrist beast, -- 6 points, 6 triangles, and the 6 sides of the hexagram -- 666 !!! This ancient occultic figure is also a pagan symbol of sexual union and reproduction.

The triangle pointing downward represents the female sexual organ, and the upward pointing triangle represents the male phallus. Joined together in the hexagram, they represent sexual union, to paganism and the occult, the union of the active and passive forces in nature. Thus the hexagram was a part of Satan's original "sex worship" rites and symbols of the sexually oriented rites and ceremonies of BAALISM -- Nimrod and Semiramis -- Easter (Astarte) and Baal -- Venus (Aphrodite) and Bacchus.


Essentially, the hexagram is supposed to represent the balance and harmony of opposing forces in the Universe. Which if you take Satan to be, the balance, and opposing force to God, it would make sense to equate the two. The thing that disturbs me most, is simply, that the Ancients connected Saturn to the Hexagram, way before the Cassini space probe discovered it....This begs the question of is it merely coincidence that they did so, or did our ancient and mystical ancestors know more about the nature of reality than our "Scientific Establishment" gives them credit for...

The Inquisition of the Roman Catholic Church, resulted in the destruction of massive amounts of mystical and sacred knowledge that had been passed down by opposing cultures...I can only hope that the truth is finally laid to rest before our feet some day in the near future....

Is it really so far fetched to think, that the shaman's and medicine-men of our ancestral history, were in-tune with a form of sensory perception, that allowed them to extract information about the Universe, that without technology, they otherwise may not have gained?

Some have even brought up the point of Cymatics, and with this, how the ancients associated each of the planets with a different vibratory frequency, or musical note...


Saturn is the sixth planet from the Sun and the second largest planet in the Solar System, after Jupiter. Named after the Roman god of agriculture, Saturn, its astronomical symbol (♄) represents the god's sickle. Saturn is a gas giant with an average radius about nine times that of Earth.[10][11] While only one-eighth the average density of Earth, with its larger volume Saturn is just over 95 times more massive than Earth.


Notice, Roman god of Agriculture? What else was agriculture a symbol of? Fertility...

Now before we get into the Cymatics portion it would help to understand a bit of what Cymatics is...


Cymatics (from Greek: κῦμα "wave") is the study of visible sound and vibration, a subset of modal phenomena. Typically the surface of a plate, diaphragm, or membrane is vibrated, and regions of maximum and minimum displacement are made visible in a thin coating of particles, paste, or liquid.[1] Different patterns emerge in the excitatory medium depending on the geometry of the plate and the driving frequency. The apparatus employed can be simple, such as the ancient Chinese spouting bowl, or Chinese singing fountain, in which copper handles are rubbed and cause the copper bottom elements to vibrate. Other examples are a Chladni Plate[2] or advanced such as the CymaScope, a laboratory instrument that makes visible the inherent geometries within sound and music.


Cymatics was re-discovered in the late 1960's by Siss medical doctor ,Hans Jenny. Hans Jenny, however features as a very prominent and interesting character in this...


Jenny was born in Basel, Switzerland. After completing his doctorate, he taught science at the Rudolph Steiner School in Zürich for four years before beginning his medical practice.


This is a very important point to make, because Rudolph Steiner, founder of the Anthrosophical society, was influenced and privy to a good deal of the Occultic information posted in the earlier part of this post. Most of the secret societies have built off of the information and knowledge of their predecessors, modifying and doing away with what was no longer beneficial.


Rudolf Joseph Lorenz Steiner[2] (25/27 February 1861[3] – 30 March 1925) was an Austrian philosopher, social reformer, architect, and esotericist.[4][5] Steiner gained initial recognition as a literary critic and cultural philosopher. At the beginning of the 20th century, he founded a spiritual movement, anthroposophy, as an esoteric philosophy growing out of idealist philosophy and with links to theosophy.

Steiner led this movement through several phases. In the first, more philosophically oriented phase, Steiner attempted to find a synthesis between science and mysticism;[6] his philosophical work of these years, which he termed spiritual science, sought to provide a connection between the cognitive path of Western philosophy and the inner and spiritual needs of the human being.[7]

In a second phase, beginning around 1907, he began working collaboratively in a variety of artistic media, including drama, the movement arts (developing a new artistic form, eurythmy) and architecture, culminating in the building of the Goetheanum, a cultural centre to house all the arts. In the third phase of his work, beginning after World War I, Steiner worked to establish various practical endeavors, including Waldorf education, biodynamic agriculture, and anthroposophical medicine.


This means that Steiner would himself, have been privy to sacred information of the ancients, through the preserved teachings of mystery schools, from which he was initiated into. I've said time and time again, the true power of our ancestors, laid in the knowledge hidden within their secret societies, and mystery schools. At a time when the Catholic Church, and regulating powers of the world, ruled with such an iron rod, they had no choice, but to remain secret and hidden, to all but those who wished to know them.

To reaffirm the possibility of the role Cymatics plays, this is an Ex-text from Nasa's website discussing the eerie sounds picked up from Saturn by the Cassini space probe.


Saturn is a source of intense radio emissions, which have been monitored by the Cassini spacecraft. The radio waves are closely related to the auroras near the poles of the planet. These auroras are similar to Earth's northern and southern lights.

This is an audio file of radio emissions from Saturn. The Cassini spacecraft began detecting these radio emissions in April 2002, when Cassini was 374 million kilometers (234 million miles) from the planet, using the Cassini radio and plasma wave science instrument. The radio and plasma wave instrument has now provided the first high resolution observations of these emissions, showing an amazing array of variations in frequency and time.

The complex radio spectrum with rising and falling tones, is very similar to Earth's auroral radio emissions. These structures indicate that there are numerous small radio sources moving along magnetic field lines threading the auroral region. Time on this recording has been compressed, so that 73 seconds corresponds to 27 minutes. Since the frequencies of these emissions are well above the audio frequency range, we have shifted them downward by a factor of 44.


Sound Frequencies of Planets & Correlation To Physiological Organs

A nice project would be attempt to use these frequencies in the science of Cymatics, in order to discover what kind of geometries will take place. I think this should be a good start for now, and hopefully the thread will move progressively in time. Thank you, for reading! Now ATS, Skeptics and Believes alike, what say you?
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posted on Jul, 27 2013 @ 09:59 PM
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Here is a hexagon:


Here is a hexagram:


The two are geometrically related but not identical. Once again we see how wishful thinking muddles the mind.

Whatever the ancients knew (and they did know quite a lot, though nowhere near as much as the woowoo squad on ATS give them credit for), we can be pretty sure they didn't know about hexagonal storms at the poles of Saturn.



posted on Jul, 27 2013 @ 10:00 PM
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Almost as interesting as the study of Cymatics in relation to planetary frequencies, like the Schumann resonance, would be the application of Bode's Law, if ever fully proven.


The Titius–Bode law (sometimes termed just Bode's law) is a hypothesis that the bodies in some orbital systems, including the Sun's, orbit at semi-major axes in a function of planetary sequence.


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posted on Jul, 27 2013 @ 10:01 PM
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What is in the center of a Hexagram? A hexagon..But by all means, don't connect the dots...



posted on Jul, 27 2013 @ 10:02 PM
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By the way; the hexagonal storm appears only at one pole of the planet Saturn, not both..

And who are you calling a woowoo? Do I sense a little ad hominem going on there?
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posted on Jul, 27 2013 @ 10:03 PM
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The religion of the ancient Egyptians is known to have included sun-worship.

The 6 pointed star is an ancient sun worship symbol.

This is perhaps the oldest form of idolatry practiced by the ancients.


Many Jews and Christians have been deceived by Jewish Kabbalists who would have them believe that the six-pointed star is a Jewish symbol. Nothing could be further from the truth. It is not a Jewish symbol, but an occult symbol. The six-pointed star is a hexagram – a curse mark – no matter what name it may have: the Star of David, Solomon’s Seal, Double Triangle, Shield of David, etc. When the occult practitioner puts a curse on someone, he uses the hexagram!

It is not our goal to condemn the Jewish people, but to condemn the six-pointed star, a curse mark.

The 6-pointed star is not a Jewish symbol, but an Egyptian symbol which Israel adopted in the wilderness due to their apostasy.

Acts 7:37-43 “This is that Moses…to whom our fathers wold not obey, but thrust him from them, and IN THEIR HEARTS TURNED BACK AGAIN INTO EGYPT… And they made a calf in those days, and offered sacrifices unto the idol, and rejoiced in the works of their own hands. Then God turned, and gave them up to worship the HOST OF HEAVEN: as it is written in the book of the prophets, O ye house of Israel, have ye offered to Me slain beasts and sacrifices by the space of FORTY YEARS IN THE WILDERNESS? Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the STAR OF YOUR GOD REMPHAN, figures which ye made to worship them: and I will carry you away beyond Babylon.”

Amos 5:26-27 “But ye have born the tabernacle of your Moloch, and Chiun (Remphan) your images, the STAR OF YOUR GOD, which ye made to yourselves. Therefore, will I cause you to go into captivity beyond Damascus, saith the Lord…” Saturn Worship


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posted on Jul, 27 2013 @ 10:09 PM
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Originally posted by VeritasAequitas
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What is in the center of a Hexagram? A hexagon..But by all means, don't connect the dots...


Man, the shape is everywhere in nature. They didn't just go "Oh crikey, look what I found on Saturn with my supervision, it's a bloomin' hexagon! Letys worship this symbol for all eternity and confuse the future humans who discover it with their backward and retarded technology!"

It's all good to connect the dots. It's an entirely different thing to bring your own dots.

You know why ancient humans were more aware of space and the solar system? Because they could actually SEE the night sky. They lay there at 6pm as they went to sleep, looking up at the stars. They got up at 6am after 12 hours looking at the stars and said "Yep, that's a shape alright."

Now, not only can we NOT see the stars at night, we're all looking down at the phone. Tapping swiping and flicking. Won't find many stellar anomalies in your android.

Well unless you install stellarium that is..

The ancients knew a lot, yes, they had to. But they would be as brain dead as the next big haired one direction clown thinking that singing a soppy song on some "Lets call this crap talent" show, if they had the inventions of us modern humans.

It's a shame really, we've forgotten to look over the horizon and now all we know is in the palm of our hands..



posted on Jul, 27 2013 @ 10:09 PM
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Then why didn't these wonderful ancients use a hexagon in their mumbo-jumbo and not a hexagram?

Look at your hexagram again. It contains, not only one hexagon as you say, but eight triangles and six pentagons. If the significant figure is the hexagon, where do these other shapes fit in?

People have been ascribing mystical properties to geometrical figures ever since they were first conceived. Triangles, rectangles, pentagrams and hexagrams get a lot of mileage. Pentagons and hexagons, not so much.

If you can dug up some mystical references connected with hexagons rather than hexagrams, this thread may start to acquire some credibility.

Meanwhile, those interested in a more to-the-point discussion on the Saturn Hexagon will enjoy this thread. Great Saturn pictures.



posted on Jul, 27 2013 @ 10:12 PM
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Cool, I'm getting a huge deja vu out of the first 4 posts......just like the thread from 2 months ago....cool shape at the north pole of saturn< no caps on purpose..



posted on Jul, 27 2013 @ 10:14 PM
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Because the Hexagram represents the sacred geometric & symbolic properties of both, not just the Hexagon...
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posted on Jul, 27 2013 @ 10:39 PM
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They don't know how to explain how Saturn radiates heat. They say Saturn was once our main Sol. Makes more sense than trying to figure out why someone would muddle the conversation trying to remind us the amazing difference between a hexagon and a hexagram.

Don't forget the Kepler trigon.



posted on Jul, 27 2013 @ 10:50 PM
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The Art of Tantra healing seems to correlate with about 50% of your subjects in your excellant OP.
I am no expert in Tantra, but eventually some ATS member will help us verify any correlation.
Wouldn't be a shock that a hexagon quartz Crystal is used during therapy!!
Then 100% correlation is archived...
It is ancient knowledge too.



posted on Jul, 27 2013 @ 11:01 PM
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Very well; be so kind as to explain, with references, the sacred or mystical symbolism of the hexagon as opposed to the hexagram. If you can't do that, you had better withdraw your claims.



posted on Jul, 27 2013 @ 11:04 PM
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Kepler trigon?



posted on Jul, 27 2013 @ 11:12 PM
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You mean aside from the fact that the hexagon only encodes 66 compared to 666? By the way, you would do well to bait other people with your childish games of goal post moving...If your only premise to be here is arguing how your beliefs and opinions are supreme to alternative ones, you are in the wrong place, on the wrong planet, and out of your mind...


In Qabala, six is the number of the sephira Tipereth, and therefore this hexagon represents the beauty and spiritual love manifested in the natural universe.


Rosicrucian.Org


Sacred geometry is the geometry used in the planning and construction of religious structures such as churches, temples, mosques, religious monuments, altars, tabernacles; as well as for sacred spaces such as temenoi, sacred groves, village greens and holy wells, and the creation of religious art. In sacred geometry, symbolic and sacred meanings are ascribed to certain geometric shapes and certain geometric proportions. According to Paul Calter:[1] In the ancient world certain numbers had symbolic meaning, aside from their ordinary use for counting or calculating ... plane figures, the polygons, triangles, squares, hexagons, and so forth, were related to the numbers (three and the triangle, for example), were thought of in a similar way, and in fact, carried even more emotional value than the numbers themselves, because they were visual.
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posted on Jul, 27 2013 @ 11:13 PM
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So would this be an example of a hexagram unrelated to a hexagon ?



Just ask'n.



posted on Jul, 27 2013 @ 11:28 PM
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3, 6, and 8... All are significant. Great changes are yet to come.



posted on Jul, 27 2013 @ 11:34 PM
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Originally posted by winofiend

Originally posted by VeritasAequitas
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What is in the center of a Hexagram? A hexagon..But by all means, don't connect the dots...


Man, the shape is everywhere in nature. They didn't just go "Oh crikey, look what I found on Saturn with my supervision, it's a bloomin' hexagon! Letys worship this symbol for all eternity and confuse the future humans who discover it with their backward and retarded technology!"

It's all good to connect the dots. It's an entirely different thing to bring your own dots.

You know why ancient humans were more aware of space and the solar system? Because they could actually SEE the night sky. They lay there at 6pm as they went to sleep, looking up at the stars. They got up at 6am after 12 hours looking at the stars and said "Yep, that's a shape alright."

Now, not only can we NOT see the stars at night, we're all looking down at the phone. Tapping swiping and flicking. Won't find many stellar anomalies in your android.

Well unless you install stellarium that is..

The ancients knew a lot, yes, they had to. But they would be as brain dead as the next big haired one direction clown thinking that singing a soppy song on some "Lets call this crap talent" show, if they had the inventions of us modern humans.

It's a shame really, we've forgotten to look over the horizon and now all we know is in the palm of our hands..
. Hahaha ok...then put your phone down..go outside away from light pollution..figure out which shining dot is Saturn and try really hard to see that hexagon on Saturn. Your partially correct.. They seen Saturn but they seen it in a different way than we did today my friend.
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posted on Jul, 27 2013 @ 11:52 PM
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My theory is astral projection, but that's a whole 'nother thread in itself.



posted on Jul, 28 2013 @ 01:35 AM
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Originally posted by Astyanax
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Then why didn't these wonderful ancients use a hexagon in their mumbo-jumbo and not a hexagram?

Look at your hexagram again. It contains, not only one hexagon as you say, but eight triangles and six pentagons. If the significant figure is the hexagon, where do these other shapes fit in?

People have been ascribing mystical properties to geometrical figures ever since they were first conceived. Triangles, rectangles, pentagrams and hexagrams get a lot of mileage. Pentagons and hexagons, not so much.

If you can dug up some mystical references connected with hexagons rather than hexagrams, this thread may start to acquire some credibility.

Meanwhile, those interested in a more to-the-point discussion on the Saturn Hexagon will enjoy this thread. Great Saturn pictures.


I always appreciate, sometimes begrudgingly, your demand for consistency and testable theories. A problem which arises here is that the current subject requires a dramatic shift of perception. The Ancients practiced primarily a "science" of consciousness in exploring what is commonly referred to as the subconscious or spirit world.

Modern scientific theory has no clear explanation for the phenomena of consciousness and so one must rely on more abstract concepts as can be found in psychological or metaphysical theories as seemingly crude tools for measurements.

Some of the great minds of humanity utilized these practice to, for lack of a better term, divine the deep truths of the material world through mathematical principles. Newton is a prime example of this in his practice of Alchemy or Pythagoras the initiate of the Egyptian mysteries.

The use of the hexagram was the result of an idea of the union of masculine and feminine involved in experiencing the 'divine.'

Can we agree that it is curious and fascinating that the symbol of hexagram has for thousands of years been associated with a planet that just so happens to have a storm in the shape of a hexagon on one of its poles as well as an 'eye' on its opposing pole?

I hope you do not dismiss the potential of exploring the practices of the Ancients as they offer the potential for exploration of a realm beyond the current understanding of the scientific community.

I personally have found that exploration of phenomena described by the ancients has been present in many of the formative movements that have lead to modern society. I even recently authored a thread identifying this phenomena in the early developers of the personal computer and those pushing the ideologies associated with it.

-FBB





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