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IRS employee union: We don’t want Obamacare

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posted on Jul, 27 2013 @ 02:49 PM
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Of course they don't want it. They know what it involves for real.
If they're exempt somehow ,I say the whole country sues the government .Class action nation .
Who's game ?




posted on Jul, 27 2013 @ 08:00 PM
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So apparently the person who wrote that letter and those who forward it are dumb as #. No one will be forced out of their existing policy (especially the government guaranteed ones) into an exchange. That's not how the program works.

The exchanges are for those who chose to go out on their own to find cheaper insurance or those who have pre-existing conditions and are looking for a better policy with lower premiums for them. The exchanges will allow companies to compete in an open market, thus lowering costs. The way it works now there is NO incentive for insurance companies to keep prices lower.



posted on Jul, 27 2013 @ 11:18 PM
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Someone please tell this employee that we don't want the IRS.
edit on 27-7-2013 by Evanzsayz because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 28 2013 @ 09:08 AM
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Originally posted by Realtruth
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Wonderful


Maybe now people will pay attention, if the part of the government that is enforcing Obamacare doesn't want it that speak volumes, and is hypocritical as well.


no....things will stay the same...

those of us who have always been paying attention, will continue, and try desperately to get other people to do the same, but it will mostly be for naught...

the majority are brain-dead drones....they supported obama, twice....anything with his name on it is gold, and besides, even if it wasn't totally awesome, haven't you heard?... this week, America's got Talent has got a wheelchair-bound 7 year-old, who screams into a mic, while tossing fruit at the audience, whilst jumping over a tank of piranha ..

how can anyone be bothered with something as trivial as paying attention to reality, when they have this absolutely riveting entertainment to watch?



posted on Jul, 28 2013 @ 09:13 AM
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Originally posted by greydaze
Oh look another Circle jerk S&F fest...Herp derp..


oh look, another ignorant one-liner insult, backed by nothing....

how about, instead of doing what you just did here....what if you were to introduce yourself, state what your objections to this thread are, what your objections and views on the topic are?...you know, join the conversation....

unless, of course, that is, all the thinking required to act like a civil, mature, member of society is too much for you....wouldn't want you to hurt yourself.....

could you at least give it a try?



posted on Jul, 29 2013 @ 02:23 PM
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From your source.....


The union leaders are providing members with a form letter to send to the congressmen that says “I am very concerned about legislation that has been introduced by Congressman Dave Camp to push federal employees out of the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program and into the insurance exchanges established under the Affordable Care Act.”


So Republican Dave Camp is trying to destroy the IRS's existing employer based Healthcare Program and send them all to an exchange that the GOP are trying to defund.

Why is this the fault of Obamacare?

Is it not the fault of yet another member of the Tea Party Taliban?

But Please. Don't let little things like FACTS stand in the way of anyones ill informed rantings.



posted on Jul, 29 2013 @ 02:37 PM
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So, why shouldn't the IRS have to be in the same boat as the rest of the "Little people"?

Govt should be living the same as the rest of us.

Pay for all should be tied to their local areas average wage. They should have the same insurance and everything as the common person. Maybe then, they will stop pushing crap like 0bamacare on everyone.



posted on Jul, 29 2013 @ 03:56 PM
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It seems like not many people in this thread are understanding what "Obamacare" is and what exactly the IRS Union is protesting.

One simple question you might want to ask yourself...if Republicans are so against Obamacare and these insurance exchanges, then why are they proposing laws to force people into them?



posted on Jul, 30 2013 @ 11:53 AM
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Originally posted by macman
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So, why shouldn't the IRS have to be in the same boat as the rest of the "Little people"?


They are "in the same boat" as the "little people".

Obamacare also covers established Employer based policies.

Having to accept pre-existing conditions, having to spend at least 80% of premiums on actual Healthcare et al, all part of Obamacare and all have to be adhered to by all insurers.



posted on Jul, 30 2013 @ 01:38 PM
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You could on to something.

The 'Dave Camp' 'proposals' are probably just 'eye-openers' for the 'select few' to see.

Maybe it's like 'a dose of their own medicine' so to speak.

But the Unions involved are sure all in a big fluff over the very thought !!

Wonder why ?

Many say the Federal insurance plans are better.

If so, why not use THAT as the model instead of the PPACA in the first place ?

Why didn't the Unions push for the Fed plan for all citizens ?

Or better yet, just let 'supply and demand' drive the insurance markets ?

Good clean business models don't need 'laws' to create markets.

Hmmm.


ETA; add GOP's Dave Camp: Why Not Put All Federal Employees Onto Obamacare's Exchanges?


edit on Jul-30-2013 by xuenchen because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 30 2013 @ 02:54 PM
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Originally posted by xuenchen
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You could on to something.
The 'Dave Camp' 'proposals' are probably just 'eye-openers' for the 'select few' to see.
Maybe it's like 'a dose of their own medicine' so to speak.
But the Unions involved are sure all in a big fluff over the very thought !!
Wonder why ?
Many say the Federal insurance plans are better.
If so, why not use THAT as the model instead of the PPACA in the first place ?
Why didn't the Unions push for the Fed plan for all citizens ?
Or better yet, just let 'supply and demand' drive the insurance markets ?
Good clean business models don't need 'laws' to create markets.
Hmmm.

ETA; add GOP's Dave Camp: Why Not Put All Federal Employees Onto Obamacare's Exchanges?


I'm not understanding your spin on this. (I don't watch Fox News, sorry.)

Are you suggesting the exchanges are Federal Healthcare programs and not merely a Marketplace for insurance companies to sell their wares?

Why would, or should, anybody with existing insurance be forced onto the exchanges?

I've not read that in the Act. Perhaps you could point it out to me.


The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act



posted on Jul, 30 2013 @ 03:10 PM
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Some repercussions will happen with existing employer policies.

Some have already started to happen.

One main problem is the reduction of hours to part time, hence no insurance at work anymore.

Another is the problem of the 'minimum' coverage requirements.

Part time workers won't be able to afford the rates and will be victimized by the red tape involved in getting subsidies (if they can even qualify).

Not to mention that small employers (less than 50 employees or whatever it is) are not required to provide policies in the first place.


Scenario 2: You have employer coverage.

If you already have coverage through work, then the odds are much better that it's of high-enough quality to avoid any major changes. A study last year found that almost two-thirds of employees who had group coverage at work had policies that would cover 80% or more of their health-care costs, compared with just 2% of individual health-insurance policies. Under Obamacare, adequate insurance need cover only 60% of allowed medical expenses to avoid penalties, which has spurred many small and mid-sized employers to look at high-deductible health plans with fairly high upfront deductibles and lower premiums. According to a Kaiser Family Foundation survey, almost a quarter of those covered by employers with fewer than 200 employees had HDHPs, compared with 17% at larger employers. Such moves will probably continue, as both employees and employers seek to reduce their premium costs.

The bigger potential impact on employees could come from employers that take more dramatic steps to avoid providing insurance at all. Darden Restaurants is one of many restaurant chains that has looked at increasing the number of part-time employees they hire to avoid the 30-hour-a-week threshold that triggers Obamacare insurance requirements. Theater operator Regal Entertainment reduced hours for many of its hourly employees back in April, citing the need to comply with the health-care law. Yet convenience-store operator Cumberland Gulf Group has said it plans to convert 1,500 of its employees to full-time status and provide health-insurance benefits in an attempt to attract higher-quality workers.

Net-net, until this give-and-take in the labor market gets resolved, both current employees and new hires will face massive uncertainty in their health-care costs. Moreover, now that the Obama administration has delayed employer penalties until 2015, workers probably have another year to wait before they'll know what happens on the employer front.

Obamacare Explained: What It Means for Those Who Already Have Health-Insurance Coverage

Apparently nothing in the PPACA guarantees employer coverage universally.



posted on Jul, 30 2013 @ 07:57 PM
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Um, no. No they are not.
They have a tax payer funded union pushing for them to not have to be in the mix with everyone else.

As for the rest of Govt? You are just being dishonest now.
There is no push for elected officials to be put into the same insurance situation as the rest of the people.



posted on Jul, 30 2013 @ 11:39 PM
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Originally posted by macman
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Um, no. No they are not.
They have a tax payer funded union pushing for them to not have to be in the mix with everyone else.

As for the rest of Govt? You are just being dishonest now.
There is no push for elected officials to be put into the same insurance situation as the rest of the people.


Um, yes they are. People who already have health insurance would not need to go to an exchange or be penalized for not having it ... because they already do! Whether that insurance is being provided by their employer or the union (which is not tax-payer funded, by the way) is immaterial.

More importantly, the union is not arguing against Obamacare. It is arguing against the legislation as put forth by a right wing nutjob to force them into an exchange - something that would be counter to the legislation and atypical from every other individual who already has insurance. Of course, this article was provided by the National Examiner which is a silly, irrelevant tabloid! So it's to be expected people would be confused (if that's where they choose to get their "facts"). Some of the info in the article is 100% false and even contradicts itself:


National Treasury Employees Union officials are urging members to write their congressional representatives in opposition to receiving coverage through President Obama’s health care law.


The union leaders are providing members with a form letter to send to the congressmen that says “I am very concerned about legislation that has been introduced by Congressman Dave Camp to push federal employees out of the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program and into the insurance exchanges established under the Affordable Care Act.”

Which is it? Is the union urging its members to oppose receiving coverage or to oppose Camp's legislation? Well, they wouldn't need to oppose receiving coverage if Camp had kept his mouth shut because they wouldn't need to receive coverage ... again, because they already have it!

Looking at what's really happening here, the argument is why would this moron even be suggesting such a thing when the whole point is that, while there may be new options for people who have insurance to change to plans that may better suit them if they desire, if you already have insurance, you wouldn't need to change!

I assure you Dave Camp knows this and knows his preposterous "bill" won't happen. He's clearly engaging in political grandstanding to confuse uninformed people that ... well, the black man is bad. He supports full repeal of Obamacare legislation which passed both houses of congress. Does this not adequately indicate how his actions and thoughts on Obamacare are at best, irrelevant, and at worse, biased?

In fact, he's not targeting Obamacare or the union. He's targeting federal workers, using them as a tool in his silly game and insinuating they should somehow be penalized because they work for the government, more specifically the IRS. He's a clown.



posted on Jul, 31 2013 @ 08:25 AM
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*sigh* so, because you think that 0bamacare was put into place to "help" everyone, you fail to see what it is already doing.

Next year, health insurance costs are going to sky rocket, new mandates on business and so on, thus.......drum roll please.........leaving people without an option but to go to the 0bamacare exchanges.

You, and several others here, are so blinded by your love affair over Progressive ideals and Big Govt, that you either fail to see, or just dismiss what is truly happening.

Now, I see no problem with the fed Govt unions being forced into the exchanges. After all, it is supposed to save everyone money, even the Tax Payer.

How can you argue with the Tyrant 0bama's own pitch, that 0bamacare will save money. Because after all, aren't we all for "smarter" govt?????



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