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Zimmerman / Trayvon: Yeah, I'm sick of it too, but one Video you HAVE to see...

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posted on Jul, 27 2013 @ 01:58 AM
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Originally posted by djr33222
reply to post by TopsyTurvyOne
 


Of course, why didn't I think of that. Nothing exists in this world because this is the matrix. Events only really happen in the real world being controlled by the machines.

They are so powerful they can make millions of people believe in a blatant lie because they are slaves to the system.

Do you think that's air your breathing now?


blah, blah. yackidy, schmackidy.

i asked you to at least comment on the points raised in the video. your bs is only
slightly less imaginative than scepticoverlords when i asked him why he completely
deleting a thread of mine based on this video. he said, it was because 'it was stupid',
no more no less.

do you see how it works now?




posted on Jul, 27 2013 @ 02:08 AM
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Originally posted by spartacus699
With the fact that every other person is packing heat, some are gonna die as a result. It's a mathematical certainty!


And if no one is packing heat, some are gonna die as a result. That's also a mathematical certainty! The only difference being, mostly innocent victims will be the ones dying.



posted on Jul, 27 2013 @ 02:13 AM
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Originally posted by luciddream
i saw a 8 yr old black kid buying skittles and Arizona, he must be up to no good! should have taken care of him at the store!


There is no way a black person could buy those for normal reason.


Hell yeah! Right on man! You should have to have a permit to carry skittles!

And a uniform identifying your authority so someone doesn't mistake you for a stalker.



posted on Jul, 27 2013 @ 02:24 AM
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I'm getting confused by these changing Trayvon narratives.

I thought Zimmerman was beat up by an explosively athletic young man who was a budding track and field superstar, as well as a future legend of the mma world, but now I'm finding out that his opponent was a jittery, Purple Drank-slurping, pot smoking wannabe with no previous experience in kicking stranger's asses. And yet, he still managed to beat the crap out of Zimmerman, and would have finished him off had he not stopped fighting and tried to shoot Zimmerman instead.

Can we try and aim for a little consistency here, please?
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posted on Jul, 27 2013 @ 02:46 AM
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Don't bow to the people ranting that they are sick of Zimmerman etc.
It's just an emotional ploy to stifle debate. If they are sick of it then they can move elsewhere.
Limbo



posted on Jul, 27 2013 @ 03:23 AM
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Thanks OP for pointing me to something that 'feels' more realistic and factual than what's been presented to date.

The MSM has much to answer for and when it comes to omitting facts & distorting what's left to fit their agenda, they're gold medallists.



posted on Jul, 27 2013 @ 03:36 AM
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Originally posted by IvanAstikov
I'm getting confused by these changing Trayvon narratives.

I thought Zimmerman was beat up by an explosively athletic young man who was a budding track and field superstar, as well as a future legend of the mma world, but now I'm finding out that his opponent was a jittery, Purple Drank-slurping, pot smoking wannabe with no previous experience in kicking stranger's asses. And yet, he still managed to beat the crap out of Zimmerman, and would have finished him off had he not stopped fighting and tried to shoot Zimmerman instead.

Can we try and aim for a little consistency here, please?
edit on 27-7-2013 by IvanAstikov because: (no reason given)


the purpose of this psy-op/fake story is beneficial. you are meant to end up not knowing
what to believe or who to support, you will be jerked around so much with the good
guy bad guy/bad guy good guy switching additional extras until you snap out of the fog.
you will end not trusting the media, uniting and rounding on the common enemy among
you all along, the government/secret governments and their corporate financiers.
obama chimed in to vouch for someone who never existed and thus never died so
that there will be no uncertainty.

almost time to smile. the world will smile with you.



posted on Jul, 27 2013 @ 03:50 AM
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It seems you've misunderstood me. My only confusion is over which version of Trayvon Martin is being claimed to have attacked Zimmerman. We have the murderously-inclined-but-not-quite-lethal-street-fighting Trayvon, and the junkie-loser-gun-loving-but-not-carrying Trayvon. Or, are bets being hedged now and he's morphed into a combination of the two?



posted on Jul, 27 2013 @ 03:53 AM
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I look forward to the day I read about Zimmerman's - ah never mind.
edit on 7/27/13 by verylowfrequency because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 27 2013 @ 04:30 AM
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spectator.org...

By Robert Stacy McCain on 7.15.13 @ 1:05AM

The February 2012 shooting death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin might never have happened if school officials in Miami-Dade County had not instituted an unofficial policy of treating crimes as school disciplinary infractions. Revelations that emerged from an internal affairs investigation explain why Martin was not arrested when caught at school with stolen jewelry in October 2011 or with marijuana in February 2012. Instead, the teenager was suspended from school, the last time just days before he was shot dead by George Zimmerman.

Trayvon Martin was not from Sanford, the town north of Orlando where he was shot in 2012 and where a jury acquitted Zimmerman of murder charges Saturday. Martin was from Miami Gardens, more than 200 miles away, and had come to Sanford to stay with his father’s girlfriend Brandy Green at her home in the townhouse community where Zimmerman was in charge of the neighborhood watch. Trayvon was staying with Green after he had been suspended for the second time in six months from Krop High School in Miami-Dade County, where both his father, Tracy Martin, and mother, Sybrina Fulton, lived.

Both of Trayvon’s suspensions during his junior year at Krop High involved crimes that could have led to his prosecution as a juvenile offender. However, Chief Charles Hurley of the Miami-Dade School Police Department (MDSPD) in 2010 had implemented a policy that reduced the number of criminal reports, manipulating statistics to create the appearance of a reduction in crime within the school system. Less than two weeks before Martin’s death, the school system commended Chief Hurley for “decreasing school-related juvenile delinquency by an impressive 60 percent for the last six months of 2011.” What was actually happening was that crimes were not being reported as crimes, but instead treated as disciplinary infractions.

In October 2011, after a video surveillance camera caught Martin writing graffiti on a door, MDSPD Office Darryl Dunn searched Martin’s backpack, looking for the marker he had used. Officer Dunn found 12 pieces of women’s jewelry and a man’s watch, along with a flathead screwdriver the officer described as a “burglary tool.” The jewelry and watch, which Martin claimed he had gotten from a friend he refused to name, matched a description of items stolen during the October 2011 burglary of a house on 204th Terrace, about a half-mile from the school. However, because of Chief Hurley’s policy “to lower the arrest rates,” as one MDSPD sergeant said in an internal investigation, the stolen jewelry was instead listed as “found property” and was never reported to Miami-Dade Police who were investigating the burglary. Similarly, in February 2012 when an MDSPD officer caught Martin with a small plastic bag containing marijuana residue, as well as a marijuana pipe, this was not treated as a crime, and instead Martin was suspended from school.

Either of those incidents could have put Trayvon Martin into the custody of the juvenile justice system. However, because of Chief Hurley’s attempt to reduce the school crime statistics — according to sworn testimony, officers were “basically told to lie and falsify” reports — Martin was never arrested. And if he had been arrested, he might never have been in Sanford the night of his fatal encounter with Zimmerman.

In fact, the reason Zimmerman was patrolling the townhouse community the night of the February 2012 shooting was that there had been a rash of burglaries in the neighborhood, although there was no indication that Trayvon Martin was involved in any of those crimes.

As for Chief Hurley’s policy, it was the controversy over Martin’s death that accidentally exposed it. In March 2012, the Miami Herald reported on Martin’s troubled history of disciplinary incidents at Krop High. Chief Hurley then launched the internal affairs investigation in an attempt to find out who had provided information to the reporter. During the course of that investigation, MDSPD officers and supervisors described Chief Hurley’s policy of not reporting crimes by students. Chief Hurley was subsequently accused of sexually harassing two female subordinates. He resigned in February, about a year after Trayvon Martin’s death.



There were at least eight burglaries in the 14 months before Zimmerman’s encounter with Martin.


Just six months before Zimmerman’s encounter with Martin, two men had broken into the home of a neighbor, Olivia Bertalan, while she was alone with her infant son. She had just enough time to call 911 before running upstairs and locking herself in a room. The burglars knew she was home, but proceeded to rob the place anyway, even trying to enter the locked room where she held her crying child. Bertalan had seen the burglars just before they broke into her house — one at the front door and one at the back. They were young black males.
They lived in the Retreat by Twin Lakes.

In another case, a black teenager strode up to Zimmerman’s house and, in broad daylight, stole a bicycle off the front porch. The bike was never recovered.

Weeks before Zimmerman saw Martin, he witnessed another young black male peering into the window of a neighbor’s house. He called the cops, but by the time they arrived, the suspect was gone.

A few days later, another house was burglarized. The thieves made off with jewelry and a new laptop. Roofers working across the street had seen two black teenagers near the house at the time of the robbery. When they spotted one of the teens the next day, they called the police.

This time, the roofers followed the suspect so he wouldn’t get away. The cops arrived and found the stolen laptop in his backpack. This was the same black teenager Zimmerman had seen looking in a neighbor’s window.

The only reason it’s hard to imagine the Zimmerman case with the races reversed is that it’s hard to imagine a white teenager living in a mixed-race, middle-class community, mugging a black homeowner. This is not a problem of society’s reactions, but of the facts.

There is, however, at least one case of a black homeowner fatally shooting a white troublemaker. He was not charged with murder.

In 2006, the ironically named John White was sound asleep at his nice Long Island home when his teenage son woke him to say there was a mob of white kids shouting epithets in front of the house. The family was in no imminent danger. They could have called 911 and remained safely behind locked doors.

But White grabbed a loaded Beretta and headed out to the end of the driveway to confront the mob. A scuffle ensued and White ended up shooting one of the kids in the face, killing him.

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posted on Jul, 27 2013 @ 04:57 AM
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There's loads I could attack in the post above, but I'll go for these two bits. Both illustrate how the place was supposedly plagued by criminals, yet despite this, there didn't seem to a lot of effort going into securing their valuables from opportunistic thieves.



In another case, a black teenager strode up to Zimmerman’s house and, in broad daylight, stole a bicycle off the front porch. The bike was never recovered.

What happened here exactly? Did he stand there and watch a black teenager brazenly march up to the bike and cycle away on it and not make any attempt to try and keep him in sight? Looks like Trayvon would have attracted less attention if he'd just stolen a bicycle in front of Zimmerman.



Weeks before Zimmerman saw Martin, he witnessed another young black male peering into the window of a neighbor’s house. He called the cops, but by the time they arrived, the suspect was gone.

This'll be the neighbour who is actually Zimbo's best bud on The Retreat, Frank Taafe - the guy who leaves his garage doors, windows and anything else he can think of open, while praying for a punk to come and try anything at his home.
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Oh, and as for this



it’s hard to imagine a white teenager living in a mixed-race, middle-class community, mugging a black homeowner.


it never happened, except in your imagination.
edit on 27-7-2013 by IvanAstikov because: (no reason given)


ps. the mugging bit, that is.
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posted on Jul, 27 2013 @ 05:01 AM
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Just had a look at that case you mention about John white. Found this article. The Gov has commuted his sentence in time to be home for the holidays.
John White, convicted of killing Daniel Cicciaro, pardoned by Gov. David Paterson


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posted on Jul, 27 2013 @ 05:10 AM
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He said wanted to scare the mob away and that his gun accidentally went off when Cicciaro lunged at him. Read more: www.nydailynews.com...


How would Zimmerman have fared if he'd tried that line? As for John White, he deserved jail time too... and a lot longer than he actually served. He didn't need to go outdoors and confront those yobs and they weren't trying to get into his home.



posted on Jul, 27 2013 @ 05:10 AM
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We talked about this in the trial thread. Martin openly discussed using it on his facebook. There is no video that shows no blood on Zimmermans head just a poor quality police video. Finally, the law isn't outdated.. itks not even that old and Zimmerman didn't use SYG as his defense.

On his facebook Martin talks about making and drinking lean and he was ignorant and made it of the wrong ingredients which would have a completely different effect than he was after. His autopsy showed a fatty liver showing he was abusing it A LOT. You are right though the media NEVER mentioned it and everyone still harps about how innocent the drink and skittles were.



posted on Jul, 27 2013 @ 05:13 AM
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Provide some evidence that using such a concoction makes you more likely to attack random strangers with the intention of killing them.



posted on Jul, 27 2013 @ 05:16 AM
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Originally posted by IvanAstikov
reply to post by TopsyTurvyOne
 

It seems you've misunderstood me. My only confusion is over which version of Trayvon Martin is being claimed to have attacked Zimmerman. We have the murderously-inclined-but-not-quite-lethal-street-fighting Trayvon, and the junkie-loser-gun-loving-but-not-carrying Trayvon. Or, are bets being hedged now and he's morphed into a combination of the two?



why not make up your own version? everyone else is! alls you gots to do is make
the fairytale as contradictory as possible and add little extra titbits now and then to
get anyone taking a definitive position to question this definitiveness regularly.
including a fresident (fake president) who throws his hat into the ring can only help
your prospects at a flailingly successful career as a modern media fakery
manufacturing mogul.

i loves me a good story.



posted on Jul, 27 2013 @ 05:27 AM
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If you think it's all fairytales and magical distractions, you're welcome to find another thread to contribute to. I'm not interested in discussing this topic with someone who just thinks everyone is making up # as they go along.



posted on Jul, 27 2013 @ 05:32 AM
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If Trayvon Martin had walked straight home, he'd be alive today.

About 30 years ago around midnight, I walked out of an apartment where drugs were being used. I soon realized that I was being followed. I was out in the open with no place to hide. I got to a small shopping area and hid behind and between cars, watching this man driving around looking for me. Eventually I decided to run across the street and knock on doors and try to wake someone. A woman did open her door to me, I made a phone call and got safely home. BUT, what would have happened to me if I had confronted that man??? Would I even be here today??

NEVER confront someone you believe is following you. Best way to end up dead. Get to a place with a lot of people and a lot of lights. Stay there and call the police. You just might live!



posted on Jul, 27 2013 @ 05:34 AM
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I was not there and neither were you so what we are left with are police reports, school reports, roofer reports, and cop logs where they were called but arrived to late to capture the perps. When some were finally captured they had stolen property....Trayvon had stolen property on his person at school; or is that some made up racist B.S.?....must have been planted by some mean other than a black man crap...Potus and DOJ and all the other race haters picked the wrong case to inflame the public...It never was about Trayvon but about getting gun control pushed through...Did you watch the facts in the ops video; must be all lies because a white man said it?
The facts are coming out...even though none of this could be presented at the trial because of the pupet DOJ directed judge would not allow it... Mr. Z was still found innocent of the charges.
It is still in the works by DOJ to perseicute and defame "Z" (even though they did a darn fine job already) probably so if he does win the mega lawsuit against some of the networks he will have to spend every last dime on a new defense.

Four or five thugs in a neighborhood can wrech havoc and steal a neighborhood blind while all the good citizens are at work. If the school system had been more concerned about Trayvons stolen property (he was caught with) and reported it as was required then none of this would have happened...


The February 2012 shooting death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin might never have happened if school officials in Miami-Dade County had not instituted an unofficial policy of treating crimes as school disciplinary infractions. Revelations that emerged from an internal affairs investigation explain why Martin was not arrested when caught at school with stolen jewelry in October 2011 or with marijuana in February 2012. Instead, the teenager was suspended from school, the last time just days before he was shot dead by George Zimmerman.




Both of Trayvon’s suspensions during his junior year at Krop High involved crimes that could have led to his prosecution as a juvenile offender. However, Chief Charles Hurley of the Miami-Dade School Police Department (MDSPD) in 2010 had implemented a policy that reduced the number of criminal reports, manipulating statistics to create the appearance of a reduction in crime within the school system. Less than two weeks before Martin’s death, the school system commended Chief Hurley for “decreasing school-related juvenile delinquency by an impressive 60 percent for the last six months of 2011.” What was actually happening was that crimes were not being reported as crimes, but instead treated as disciplinary infractions.

Chief Charles Hurley of the Miami-Dade School Police Department ended up being caught making things look good (no crime here!) for an attaboy and had to resign....But hey, never let the facts stand in the way of a good storyline with an agenda.



posted on Jul, 27 2013 @ 05:34 AM
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Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by SquirrelNutz
 


We talked about this in the trial thread. Martin openly discussed using it on his facebook. There is no video that shows no blood on Zimmermans head just a poor quality police video. Finally, the law isn't outdated.. itks not even that old and Zimmerman didn't use SYG as his defense.

On his facebook Martin talks about making and drinking lean and he was ignorant and made it of the wrong ingredients which would have a completely different effect than he was after. His autopsy showed a fatty liver showing he was abusing it A LOT. You are right though the media NEVER mentioned it and everyone still harps about how innocent the drink and skittles were.


yes. hard times for the police. they have to revert to using those sh**ty 1960's wind-up
mounted cameras since the cutbacks.

yes. the non-existent 17 year old trayman had been drinking lean since he was 2 and
a 1/2, and had the liver of a raging alcoholic of 53 and a 1/2. the local plumber had
to do the autopsy as the coroner was out on a call. he reports that trayman did get the
proportions wrong on the night in question and got half as drunk in twice the time!
unfortunately this lead to him being four times as angry as normal, so six times round
the block was sorting the scene when a zimmer frame fell on his face and send him packing.

all true. or at least equally true as the other version.
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