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Christianity Made Russia Great World Power – Putin

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posted on Jul, 26 2013 @ 08:43 AM
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Originally posted by chrismarco
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The crusades are brought up all the time....although it was a huge push on religion I don't believe this is what Christ wanted...people to be killed over religious beliefs...We have a system of laws that are exploited by police officers but like many laws and our constitution it's the people that give it a bad name....for some reason people can't get past that and look to the religion as the cause when in actuality it's the people themselves....anymore than a gun isn't the main issue with gun violence...it's the people who use them that's the problem


The Crusades were the response of the Papacy after hearing catholics whine for 400 years about the muslim hacking their heads off and putting them to the sword everytime they went on pilgrimages. None of the Kings or Lords in Europe wanted to spend their money on a desert hellhole so the Pope had to promise remission of all sins commited before and during the war (indulgences) which then got the Kings and Lords there because they could then plunder.

Religion can be the cause of the issue no doubt. You have so many different flavors of islam and the majority of them advocate violence against nonmuslim. We are not talking about a half dozen crazies being violent, we're talking tens of millions.




posted on Jul, 26 2013 @ 08:44 AM
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WOW I am going to have to read though your post a few more times, but I tell you it sent chills up my spine,

I can feel the shift, you can tell something is coming,



posted on Jul, 26 2013 @ 08:54 AM
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I put little to no faith in world leaders.

A Wind in the House of Islam

With this in mind, are Islamic leaders worried?


They had better be, it's the Ruach ha'Kodesh and his sword cuts the soul.



posted on Jul, 26 2013 @ 08:54 AM
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Originally posted by MDDoxs
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Side note: I thought Russians referred to their country as the "Motherland"? Or has Hollywood planted false knowledge in my mind once again


No, I recall the terms were Mother Russia and Homeland, as russian immigrants used to say where i was in san diego.

thought the same thing now its fatherland... and WE are HOMELAND..

as soon as DHS started popping up post-2001, I was sickened... HOMELAND... how SOVIET



posted on Jul, 26 2013 @ 09:01 AM
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Spoken like a true politican....but not insignificant considering the role that religion will play in the globalists plans for One World Government.



posted on Jul, 26 2013 @ 09:01 AM
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Understood, many more acts of violence in the name of religion but again I would emphasize that people are using the religion for the tool to carry their agenda....People become coaches to get to kids for obvious reasons but it's not the premise of coaching that is bad...it's the people that can use it to their benefit..the same can go for a priest...or a janitor or teacher at a school...these are the means in which to get to their objective...I think that's what people miss when they think of religion...but I understand your points....



posted on Jul, 26 2013 @ 09:22 AM
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Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
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I put little to no faith in world leaders.

A Wind in the House of Islam

With this in mind, are Islamic leaders worried?


They had better be, it's the Ruach ha'Kodesh and his sword cuts the soul.


At one time there were quite a few posters who were very interested in Biblical prophecy and how it relates to world events on ATS, not anymore it seems,

The interesting thing is Christians were some of the first conspiracy theorist.

also I recently posted how Russia spread conspiracy theories thoughout the middle east.

New book reveals how KGB operation seeded Muslim countries with anti-American, anti-Jewish propaganda during the 1970s, laying the groundwork for Islamist terrorism against U.S. and Israel

Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk... ndwork-Islamist-terrorism-U-S-Israeli-targets.html#ixzz2aA4x4ucx
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Yuri Andropov, the KGB chief for 15 years before he became the Soviet premier, sent hundreds of agents and thousands of copies of propaganda literature to Muslim countries.

'By 1972,' according to the book, 'Andropov's disinformation machinery was working around the clock to persuade the Islamic world that Israel and the United States intended to transform the rest of the world into a Zionist fiefdom.'

'According to Andropov, the Islamic world was a petri dish in which the KGB community could nurture a virulent strain of America-hatred, grown from the bacterium of Marxist-Leninist thought.'


Don't you find Putins statement interesting in light of this?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.dailymail.co.uk... ndwork-Islamist-terrorism-U-S-Israeli-targets.html


Here the reader will discover answers to many crucial questions of the modern era: Why, during the last two generations, has so much of the Western world turned against its founding faith, Christianity? Why have radical Islam, jihad and terrorism burst aflame after a long period of apparent quiescence? Why is naked Marxism increasingly manifesting in America and its NATO allies? What really happened to Russia after the Berlin Wall came down? Like the solution to a giant jigsaw puzzle lacking one crucial piece, Disinformation authoritatively provides the missing dimension that makes the chaos of the modern world finally understandable.

By its very nature, a disinformation campaign can work only if the seemingly independent Western press accepts intentionally fabricated lies and presents them to the public as truth. Thus, Pacepa and Rychlak also document how the U.S. "mainstream media's" enduring sympathy for all things liberal-left has made it vulnerable to--indeed, the prime carrier of--civilization-transforming campaigns of lying, defamation and historical revisionism that turn reality on its head.

In Disinformation, you'll discover:

* How destroying the reputation of good leaders has been developed into a high art and science.

* How Pope Pius XII --a generation ago the world's most high-profile Christian leader, who personally saved countless Jews from Hitler's Holocaust--was transformed, through the magic of disinformation, into a Nazi sympathizer.

* How Christianity and Judaism have been targeted for constant denigration and defamation through an ongoing campaign of disinformation.

* How the Soviet bloc planted 4,000 agents of influence in the Islamic world, armed with hundreds of thousands of copies of the most infamous anti-Semitic book in history, to fan the flames of ancient Arab resentments against the U.S. and Israel and sow the seeds of anti-Semitism that would later bloom in the form of violence and terror toward Jews and Christians.

* How the defamatory attacks on American soldiers John Kerry made before Congress upon his return from Vietnam--charges later discredited and repudiated--were identical to a contemporaneous KGB disinformation campaign concocted to turn Americans against their own leaders.

* How supposedly respectable institutions like the World Council of Churches have long been infiltrated and controlled by Russian intelligence.

* How much of the world came to believe that the U.S. government itself masterminded the assassination of President John F. Kennedy.

* How the Soviet Union has been transformed into the first intelligence dictatorship in history.

* How disinformation is still very much alive in the age of Obama, remaining a powerful engine in the ongoing socialist transformation of America.


I wish I was smart enough to unravel all of this mess, but all the pieces of the puzzle are falling into place, but to what end?
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posted on Jul, 26 2013 @ 10:51 AM
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Originally posted by Stormdancer777

Originally posted by rickymouse

Originally posted by MDDoxs
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It is supposed to be a peaceful friendly religion.


The crusades were certainly not peaceful, nor friendly.

Additionally, religious institutions have not only built their own empires, but also have been used as a justifications to grow them.



Religion strayed from the teachings of Jesus long ago. I see nothing Jesus says in the bible that can justify any empire building that happened in this religion. People who desired power seized the religion for their own and twisted the words to fit their needs. The only ones allowed to have bibles up until about five hundred years ago were the priests and trusted individuals.



Ricky I don't disagree with your post, but all religions are manipulated by empires.


Yeah, your right, almost every religion has been hijacked.



posted on Jul, 26 2013 @ 11:43 AM
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Originally posted by MDDoxs
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Putin? Its a power ploy.

It would not be hard to imagine this public declaration is part of the Putin Governments Anti-Homosexual stance.


Power ploy? I don't think so. He is the only leader who is against the NWO's plans. Him and Medvedev. Read about what he has done to Russia since he took the charge and then come right back to reply. Giving a response without knowing the subject is something you should avoid.

And what should Putin has done? Say the homosexuals "you have every right to get married and adopt children"? Of course he is right with his stance on this subject. Is he going to leave a virus immune the community or he will get rid of that virus?



Originally posted by rickymouse
 

I don't understand how Jesus's teachings would make any country powerful. If you ignore his words and look in the old testament at all the killing and violence I suppose you can get those ideas. Nothing in the new testament says anything about building an empire or even a church building. I don't get how people can get Christianity so wrong. It is supposed to be a peaceful friendly religion. The Old Testament was added on to show what corrupt things were happening and to justify the new religion formed. It also showed the genetic lines and explained some of the things he was talking about. It was never supposed to be used to teach people to kill anyone who disagreed with Jesus.....


When a country adopts Orthodoxy (not just Christianity) as Russia has done, it takes blessings and grace from GOD. GOD helps his people, always did and always will. These blessings and grace have given Russia the power they have today after the destruction they had after the communism. Examples on how GOD helps his children can be found through out history. See how to Greeks managed to defeat the enormous Ottoman Empire twice even if the Ottoman Empire had regular army while the Greeks didn't. How the Greeks defeated Mussolini's armed forces. See how the Serbians managed to defeat the Ottomans too and take back all their lands. See how the Russians managed to defeat Turkey, the Germans and the Ottoman Empire in every war they had with them. See how the Byzantine Empire managed to hold for 1000 years more than any other Empire. Coincidences? I don't think so.

The Old Testament contains mostly the history of the Hebrew's. The minority of what it contains is for the Christianity and the majority is how the Hebrews remember their history. Where It writes about a GOD who wishes blood and deaths we can see how the Hebrews changed their history to make it appear more greatful and to justify the massacres they did in that wars.

About the New Testament. Obviously, you have not written it. When i do not know about a thing, i do not talk about it. I speak only when i know. Maybe you should do the same before you talk about others religion. JESUS said that whoever believes in GOD the way HE teaches will be blessed. This also stands for the empires. HE also said that Christians must have a place where they will pray to GOD. This is for the churches.

Christianity is the ONLY religion which teaches you to love your enemy. But this does not mean that when your enemy comes to fight you and kill you you will stand without doing anything. Of course you will love and behave as JESUS taught everyone, but when it is about your home, when it is about your family, when it is about your life you have every right from GOD to fight for what belongs to you!


Originally posted by borntowatch
 

Putins Christianity is just a puppet to a one world religion
Look what communism did to the USSR


You surely have no clue about the truth. NWO is trying to disappear Orthodoxy from Earth, not the Catholics, the Orthodoxs. Why? Because the pope is a puppet of NWO. Try to find one single example which shows the opposite and i will then discuss with you about what you are believing. Until then read more.


Originally posted by MDDoxs
 

The crusades were certainly not peaceful, nor friendly.

Religion was a powerful tool to control the masses. This was occurring well before Christianity as well.


The crusades were made by the Catholics for the search of power and gold. This is why they hit Constantinople and Byzantium. The crusades were not made by GOD, they were made by the devil. This is why the prophecies about WW3 of the Orthodox church say that the Catholics will accept GOD's punishment for what they had done.

And if Orthodoxy is a way to control the masses then explain to me all the miracles that are happening



posted on Jul, 26 2013 @ 11:51 AM
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Power ploy? I don't think so. He is the only leader who is against the NWO's plans. Him and Medvedev. Read about what he has done to Russia since he took the charge and then come right back to reply. Giving a response without knowing the subject is something you should avoid.


I am actually quite familiar with Putin's current, as well as past endeavors. He is like every other leader of powerful nations. His political and social policies are very oppressive in nature and he has not done much with the economy either. He is a strong and charismatic leader, it is why is manages to hold onto power.


nd what should Putin has done? Say the homosexuals "you have every right to get married and adopt children"? Of course he is right with his stance on this subject. Is he going to leave a virus immune the community or he will get rid of that virus?


I think perhaps you should avoid responding without knowing the subject, or one that you have been obviously been blinded on.
nuff said.



posted on Jul, 26 2013 @ 12:01 PM
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Power ploy? I don't think so. He is the only leader who is against the NWO's plans. Him and Medvedev. Read about what he has done to Russia since he took the charge and then come right back to reply. Giving a response without knowing the subject is something you should avoid.


I appreciate your input, I think I heard about that.






When a country adopts Orthodoxy (not just Christianity) as Russia has done, it takes blessings and grace from GOD.


That thought does cross my mind and did you know that the Chinese are buying more Bibles than any other place on the planet?



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posted on Jul, 26 2013 @ 01:20 PM
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The only thing that is so clear that you are getting blind by it is the fight the NWO does against Orthodoxy. See for example what happens in the Middle East. In Libya the tribe of Gaddafi believed in some of the Orthodox Saints and to The Mother of GOD, MADONNA. In Syria the 40% of the population are Orthodoxs. In both nations the extremists Muslims came to kill the ones who do not believe where they believe. Who was paying the extremists? The sheikh of the united arab emirates who is also the leader the NWO has elected for the Middle East. When Obama visited him he bowed before him. Coincidence?

I am in the ATS forums for more than 2 years. Since the beginning i was speaking about the NWO and i was saying things Alex Jones had never said. There were many who were laughing about what i was telling. However, the last month i saw some of the ATS members who were laughing of what i was saying a year ago about NWO, about the prophecies of Orthodoxy and about the near future. All of these members where saying the exact same things i was telling a year ago. But still there are the "philosophers" who claim to know everything and try to prove me wrong. I wish to see what they will say in the next years when either the NWO's plan will succeed or it will fail due to WW3 and they will be unprepared.




The thing i can't understand is why all the atheists try to attack Christianity, the religion of love and forgiveness! If they do it because the pope is a puppet of the devil then i can understand that they have something with the Catholicism. If this is not the reason then i cannot explain how their mind works...



posted on Jul, 26 2013 @ 01:25 PM
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Done nothing on the economical sight? Really? And you know about the subject? What would you say if you didn't?

According to the economist

www.economist.com...

Russia 's debt is 180 billion dollars. Russia earns from Europe more than 600 billion dollars every year through the sale of Gas and Oil. Only cutting a few billions from their army's projects will be enough to repay this debt within a year. Aren't they the world's strongest economy? Yes they are. Still Putin has done nothing?



posted on Jul, 26 2013 @ 01:29 PM
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The only thing that is so clear that you are getting blind by it is the fight the NWO does against Orthodoxy. See for example what happens in the Middle East. In Libya the tribe of Gaddafi believed in some of the Orthodox Saints and to The Mother of GOD, MADONNA. In Syria the 40% of the population are Orthodoxs. In both nations the extremists Muslims came to kill the ones who do not believe where they believe. Who was paying the extremists? The sheikh of the united arab emirates who is also the leader the NWO has elected for the Middle East. When Obama visited him he bowed before him. Coincidence?





The thing i can't understand is why all the atheists try to attack Christianity, the religion of love and forgiveness! If they do it because the pope is a puppet of the devil then i can understand that they have something with the Catholicism. If this is not the reason then i cannot explain how their mind works...



I have noticed here and other places liberals and atheist would side with Islam over Christianity, even though Christianity is only a shadow of it former self and reformed, I can't see how liberals or atheist could have anything in common with radical Islam.

No I didn't know that about Gaddafi.



posted on Jul, 26 2013 @ 01:37 PM
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If you look all the conspiracies through the perspective of NWO and their willingness to fight Orthodoxy ( the reason why i am saying Orthodoxy is because the Saints who wrote the prophecies were saying these things, that the pope is being controlled by the devil and that he is tricking the humanity), then all of these makes sense. I mean what are the symbols of satan do in the Vatican in the areas where you are not allowed to carry any cameras? It is all a game of the NWO. We can talk about next year about it. If only i knew better English i could write and justify all i know.

Make a search on the web to find what i am talking about.



posted on Jul, 27 2013 @ 02:12 AM
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Originally posted by Stormdancer777
In biblical prophecy some believe Russia would play a powerful but negative role in end time prophecy.


I find that thread interesting. I can't read or reply all, so will reply this post, thank you.

It is not proven we are in the end times. And if we are, it is not proven that Gog and Magog is now. Read revelation 20 , Gog and Magog are after the Millennium.



8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—and to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore. www.biblegateway.com...

Moreover, another powerful country that is established upon Christian values at the time of its foundation, USA, is not mentioned in the current interpretations of the prophecy at all. We may say of other countries, like Brazil, who also are established upon Christianity (Catholicism) since their foundation some 500 y ago, and become more and more powerful today, but are not mentioned in End times current interpretations. The German "Holy Roman Empire" was also established upon Christianity, and we know that ended ultimately in 2 world wars, besides many others in history. The same could be said for a number of countries, old and new, including the British empire. Why all that is missing in Bible End Times scenarios? Perhaps they lack something substantial? Perhaps for the Russian patriarch the antichrist is in the West under gay marriage disguise. Perhaps for the West it is just the opposite.
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posted on Nov, 22 2013 @ 01:42 PM
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Basically orthodox christianity has managed to sustain itself under communist ruled USSR and shine through again now that communism is long gone. Its not that religion was a crime back then, it was simply discouraged and if you wanted to have a high position within the USSR you had to prove you were not religious. Remember communism encourages atheism, but not necessarily outlaw it.

Russia has a long history of christian values, and although suppressed by communism, has officially resurfaced.



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