Gazrok. I agree, if I actually lived in the US then it would be my perogative to leave. Or I might decide to change it from the inside. My particular annoyance with America is with it's foreign policy. And that's the one bit of American culture which I can't ever get away from.

But for other people who have problems with bits of America, why should they be forced to leave the country because they don't like those bits? Don't you think that's just a bit authoritarian?

And actually, I think my ideal place to live is right here in the UK. Grasmere, or St Ives, ideally. I've heard Toronto's very nice when you're not in danger of contracting a fatal repiratory disease. I've also heard SanFrancisco can be quite nice, but ultimately I'd like to settle down in the Lake District I think, Summer home in St Ives.

We can let these guys post flaming topics (pretty much against ToS) divert their topics to favor their convenience, flame us all, and we have to be nice. Land sakes what would W say?

Anywho, I really will never respect them, their ignorance is in accusing us of the same, but I will play nice.


ARTICLE WAS GARBAGE!

ok if we can disscuss without objectivity and respect we better stop before it gets personal, but when u post your opinions or ideals iŽll also say that is GARBAGE AS WELL

I don't dislike you as a person, hell I don't know ya, but I don't like how you manipulate your words to favor the current discussion. I think you have closed you mind to the American people because of our government, and the way you post, how can we take it any other way?

I would buy you a beer and debate in person, it would be more fun, as the computer tends to make it impersonal.

Until the next disagreement


-the Wiz

BTW I AM SICK 100 TIMES OF SAYING THAT DO NOT HATE THE AMERICAN CITIZENS
THAT I HATE HOW THE ELITISTS ARE MANIPULATING THAT COUNTRY MORE THAN THE REST, BUT AS ALWAYS PEOPLE DO NOT UNDERSTAND ME...
TAKE AGAINST YOU, IF U LIKE BUT I DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING AGAINST U, I HAVE IT AGAINST THE PEOPLE WHO TAKES DECISIONS!! WHEN WILL U UNDERSTAND THAT?

When members of my family aren't the ones making the decisions, until them I have to be bias for my clan so to speak.

dom - Toronto is a great place as is San Fran. I'm dying to visit each place again. You would all love my town, Cleveland, having the largest number of bars/pubs per capita

Ever been to Touch in the Warehouse District? Good place to go!

-The Wiz

Actually, there's a LOT of discussion in the international sector that it SHOULD be classified as such. And frankly, I agree.



Did you forget -- the reason we invaded was because Iraq was a huge threat with all the weapons of mass destruction it has and all the bioterrorism weapons that it was going to fling at us any second now.

You know... all the weapons that we haven't found any trace of? Yeah, that threat.

It was Afghanistan that we were liberating.





But lots of them aren't cheering and lots of them in Iraq are demonstrating against the US.

great place to go! The 'flats' were great when I was younger, but I'm trying to grow up and all. Between the two areas, there's what? About 10,000 bars and clubs? heheheh.

"But for other people who have problems with bits of America, why should they be forced to leave the country because they don't like those bits? Don't you think that's just a bit authoritarian?"

Thing is, most of the Americans who dislike those bits...don't even vote for what they want!

My invitation to leave was for those who hate America, not for those who hate some of the things we've done. Heck, I don't agree with a lot of our current foreign policy (Bush Sr. was a master at this-despite the Japan dinner incident, hehe...), as Bush Jr. doesn't even know basic world geography, let alone world politics (amazing that a Harvard grad could be that dumb, isn't it? Not when your degree is paid for I guess...)

Flats are for the 18 year olds, actually the "young" side of the flats is dying, and the 57 (no lie) bars in the warehouse district are taking the 24-35 patrons money now, I don't give the "flats" 5 more years, cops are killing the place

Cleveland sounds like it may be worth a visit. My hometown was a major party capital up in the Midlands. 15000 people come in on a Friday night to go to the clubs and stuff. It actually isn't all that pleasant, but I think English pub/club culture is a bit different to American club culture. In the North of England everyone gets drunk and then has a fight, in the US you seem to just get drunk and go home. Or at least I got that impression from New Orleans. Pool tables inside nightclubs. Wicked!

I guess I really want to live somewhere pretty quiet though. Hence Grasmere, population of about 400 people, surrounded by mountains with a lake in the middle. Such a beautiful place. Anyway... I'll stop going off-topic sometime soon.

"in the US you seem to just get drunk and go home."

Yep, and preferably not alone...that is after all, the reason for going to a club in the first place....

No Dom, the "editorial" is not based on "fact", merely opinion. I'd say it is based more on hate and resentment than anything else.

Our society isn't warlike. Its clear that she has no idea either about American society or what being warlike really is. It might do well for her to look in the areas from whence trouble seeks out America to see warlike, or at least murderous.

Iraq was liberated in record time, a threat to my family has been removed, and I threat to the Iraqi families was removed at the same time. The torture chambers are empty, the plastic shredders are quiet, and the psycho that put 10's of thousands in mass graves, many buried alive, is either dead or in hiding and unable to put another person in a mass grave, and this woman wants to say we disgust her.

Well you know what, Dom, she disgusts me! And you are right, my opinion is to heck with her.

Maybe she's proud of the nations that didn't want to change the political control in Iraq, wanted to continue to allow the people to be brutalized and for Hussein to remain an immenent threat to our children so that they could continue to make under the table deals with the madman, so that they could make a few Euros and didn't care about a thing else. Maybe she's just in love with them. She's better unseat her head from her 5th point of contact and realize that if her nation is ever in the same situation as Iraq, it won't be those other nations that come to her rescue. Not unless there's something in it for them.

It seems to me that many try and describe the U.S. in terms that would more accurately fit other nations.

Hehe. I actually find it funnier that the M16 is made by Mattel.... (isn't it?)

"Maybe it's just envy and a lack of pride in your own country?"

*WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT*

im talking about america as a whole, not individual citizens so dont take it personally. im not totally anti-american but im just saying i can see where anti-americans are coming from.

and the above quote is just something that gets on my tits.

these days don't even know what PRIDE is! Otherwise they would smack the TAR! out of thier kids for makeing a disgrace of themselves in public as my Mother did. Boy I still have scars to prove it. People these days are messed up and weak in the knees. And I blame most of it on the Political Correct BS we delt with throughout the 90s. I'm sure thats not the only cause but it sure didn't help matters.

Ha ha, we're so warlike we created a salad shooter!!!
The fact that this statement was made by a guy whose online screen picture is a soldier with an attack dog is fabulous! What classic american irony.


HAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAAH!
Rediculous.

My government is better than your government...uh uh...my government is better than yours....

you sound like serfs from the middle ages arguing over which lord beats you less.

nationalism is for slaves

hehehe