I loathe America, and what it has done to the rest of the world...

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posted on May, 16 2003 @ 03:41 AM
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Another article-opinion that impressed me,
here we go:


I knew that the wave of anti-Americanism that would swell up after the Iraq war would make me feel ill. And it has. It has made me much, much more ill than I had expected.

My anti-Americanism has become almost uncontrollable. It has possessed me, like a disease. It rises up in my throat like acid reflux, that fashionable American sickness. I now loathe the United States and what it has done to Iraq and the rest of the helpless world.

I can hardly bear to see the faces of Bush and Rumsfeld, or to watch their posturing body language, or to hear their self-satisfied and incoherent platitudes. The liberal press here has done its best to make them appear ridiculous, but these two men are not funny.

I was tipped into uncontainable rage by a report on Channel 4 News about "friendly fire", which included footage of what must have been one of the most horrific bombardments ever filmed. But what struck home hardest was the subsequent image, of a row of American warplanes, with grinning cartoon faces painted on their noses. Cartoon faces, with big sharp teeth.

Rest of Article:
opinion.telegraph.co.uk.../opinion/2003/05/08/do0801.xml

[Edited on 16-5-2003 by CoLD aNGeR]

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[edit on 13-2-2007 by DontTreadOnMe]




posted on May, 16 2003 @ 03:52 AM
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Wher's the news, where the information? An opinion of someone who is safer because someone else steps up to the plate. A Brit who could care less if the rest of America is blown apart. The person might as well have been another ignorant American who's mindset is "Protect me, oh government, but do it by firing posies, honeysuckles and rose pettles at those who want to rip my guts out!"

About as useful an article as anything written by Norman Mailer.



posted on May, 16 2003 @ 04:04 AM
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I se that posting links alone remains a great challenge.



posted on May, 16 2003 @ 04:06 AM
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As for this appalling old bat, Thomas she's a tenth rate pseudo-intellectual novelist -sister to A.S. Byatt who is at least 9th rate.
She'll do anything fopr easy publicity.
The linguistic style of this is quite appallingly heavy-handed, wouldn't one say?



posted on May, 16 2003 @ 04:07 AM
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As will it always, Estrogon. You can lead a horse to water but you cannot regulate at what place he relieves himself!



posted on May, 16 2003 @ 04:36 AM
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This is the saddest thing I've ever seen.

First off "Daisey Cutter" isn't a weapon of mass destruction, it pains me to see the author of this article to be so stupid.

Furthermore TC is right, this idiot sits safely in his chair wherever, tapping away at the keyboard, not having to dodge the Gestapo...and just because he doesn't need to be liberated by us, he gets pissed that we liberate someone else.

If he were in Iraq he'd be cheering too.

Some day, the world will burn and a few will remember the echos of America, until a time, far beyond our great great great grandchildren's time, where to the common masses all freedom and hope has been lost, that echo will shake the foundations of the world.

I'm going to add that to my sig actually, that is the most awesome thing I have said in a while.

Damn people will quote me one day that's for sure.

Think long and hard Cold...people will forget you because your feelings are helping to bring about the greatest darkness, this world will ever know.

It is no longer a day of chivalry, technology, makes us invariable slaves. And only the American ideal is what saves us all...from that slavery.



posted on May, 16 2003 @ 04:53 AM
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You say the guy was a Brit. Yours truly seems to vaguely remember that those people came crying to the USA for help when the Luftwaffe was blowing the Hell out their cities.


dom

posted on May, 16 2003 @ 05:58 AM
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I tell you guys, this is the whole problem with American right now.

"You don't like us? Well F*ck you. We're saved your asses back in 1943, you do what we tell you to do. You're only alive because of us. How dare you say that we can't do what we want."

Really TC, this article is "opinion", opinion is based on facts. The lady is telling you how she feels about your country. It's a feeling that is increasingly common in the UK, and across the world. Doesn't this frighten you at all?

This woman is saying that your entire culture is becoming obsessed with violence and war, but that you don't understand what that implys, hence your disney aircraft dropping bombs that kill people. US soldiers shooting civilians, and none of you care, because they're not American civilians, just foreigners. As a good Christian would put it; God Help You.



posted on May, 16 2003 @ 06:51 AM
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I fail to see how the USA "saved" Britian im mean im gratful they came in eventual but i think with the help of are allies who were fighting aswell we would of won maby not as soon but that isnt the point of this thread is it.

The image i rember most of the recent gulf war was a group of yank's firing a missle at a house all wooping like idiots as it rushed off to its target.


il give them credit though they did hit it.



posted on May, 16 2003 @ 07:05 AM
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Originally posted by dom
I tell you guys, this is the whole problem with American right now.

"You don't like us? Well F*ck you. We're saved your asses back in 1943, you do what we tell you to do. You're only alive because of us. How dare you say that we can't do what we want."

Really TC, this article is "opinion", opinion is based on facts. The lady is telling you how she feels about your country. It's a feeling that is increasingly common in the UK, and across the world. Doesn't this frighten you at all?

This woman is saying that your entire culture is becoming obsessed with violence and war, but that you don't understand what that implys, hence your disney aircraft dropping bombs that kill people. US soldiers shooting civilians, and none of you care, because they're not American civilians, just foreigners. As a good Christian would put it; God Help You.


Finally somebody that talks with sense!!!!
dom once again u understood 100% what this article wants to show...

Remind americans if they feel so important and world savers, that they were not there untill the 1700 century...
Anyway that was in the BRITISH colonies, yes, the british came, killed the natives and indigens of the americas and then all started, declared the independence in 1776... And there we go, starting stealing a whole land from its owners.Buffalos, all gone dude, your culture of destroy around its beginning to affect the whole planet, if u feel insult, u dont need to, say americans, is not ment ALL THE PEOPLE, just those who are unware of the damage they are doing saying doing and keeping the situation as it is now...
U just wanna be hero, or winner, and in this story there will be no winner, we all loose



posted on May, 16 2003 @ 07:12 AM
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I don't quite understand what all the flack is about, Should the US just sit back and be isolationists and watch out for our own (domestic) intrests?

We should to a point, but we, as Americans, affect the global economy SO much that (whether we like it or not)we need to take care of our foreign interests.

Just a drunk person speaking their opinion.

- SB



posted on May, 16 2003 @ 07:29 AM
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Originally posted by Hellequin
I fail to see how the USA "saved" Britian


Well, at least we don't have to experience what the alternative would have been. Whose to say if the allies would have defeated the Axis without the US? Maybe you would have. But, thats been a long time ago and I doubt you were there for it and I dare say that the poor souls who were wouldn't want you to make that decision for a politcial argument and them have to live or die with the result.

Funny how we forget the mass murder and how thankful the whole world was to stop it with a combined effort but then again as the years tick by, the horrors and suffereing give way to idiotic political ravings used as tools to promote subversive agendas.



posted on May, 16 2003 @ 07:48 AM
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Quote Cold Anger


"Finally somebody that talks with sense!!!!
dom once again u understood 100% what this article wants to show..."

Um, you don't talk sense, you are about the most ignorant thing I have seen this side of Clinton, the problem with this is that you are all forgetting the most important thing, if it was not for the USA you would probably all be spreaking German or Russian right now, have no life to speak of, and probably be ready to die at 25. We are the great equalizer, without us there would be NO freedom to speak of, why do people argue that point? Why don't you just go ahead and post all of YOUR points as to why YOU dislike America and get it over with, have some gumption, don't quote some pansy who types behind the plastic shield.

The world is full of bastards and killers, even without the US using our "Daisy Cutters" and other weapons of mass destruction like rifles, it would STILL GO on, why do you people not acknowlege that fact. Someday we WILL BE NO MORE, and then your great great grandkid will wish to all to high hell that he had the freedom to do what you are doing right now. By the way, for hating us so MUCH, you do enjoy the freedoms that we protect for you.


Ignorance is bliss, hatred is evil



posted on May, 16 2003 @ 08:02 AM
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Originally posted by Shining Wizard
Quote Cold Anger


"Finally somebody that talks with sense!!!!
dom once again u understood 100% what this article wants to show..."

Um, you don't talk sense, you are about the most ignorant thing I have seen this side of Clinton, the problem with this is that you are all forgetting the most important thing, if it was not for the USA you would probably all be spreaking German or Russian right now, have no life to speak of, and probably be ready to die at 25. We are the great equalizer, without us there would be NO freedom to speak of, why do people argue that point? Why don't you just go ahead and post all of YOUR points as to why YOU dislike America and get it over with, have some gumption, don't quote some pansy who types behind the plastic shield.

The world is full of bastards and killers, even without the US using our "Daisy Cutters" and other weapons of mass destruction like rifles, it would STILL GO on, why do you people not acknowlege that fact. Someday we WILL BE NO MORE, and then your great great grandkid will wish to all to high hell that he had the freedom to do what you are doing right now. By the way, for hating us so MUCH, you do enjoy the freedoms that we protect for you.


Ignorance is bliss, hatred is evil



Ok, no way i am gonna accept that words of ignorance!!!!
Before america existed mr shinnig wizzard, there was the whole world before that, europe has thousands of years of history, and civilizations, from 10.000 b C there were already civilizations in asia, WTF are u talking about? u feel u are the top of the world? jajaja, i think i still miss your 250 years of history, and u think the whole planet is in debt with u, while u use the 40% of the natural resources of earth, u have attacked most of the countries in the world, never before u could see so many people around the world protesting together for 1 thing, and u still call me ignorant?
Sorry mr patriotic, patriotism means be blind and do not ask questions.
These opinion is objective, stop thinking like animals, that bombarding a country u liberate them!
Please get real and face it!!

Thx to america btw the freedom of speech is finishing, blaming people that is not agreeing with them (like nazis did), also critizicing the people that questions authority, homeland security means no privacy, there u have your freedom of speech, u call america the liberators, jaja, u should know that very few countries allowed the guns possesions if u dont have a license (police etc) or u haunt, AMERICA, is the one remember?
with 18 years and ID card i can kill a person, america has the most high police per person ratio in the entire earth, same as the highest amount of criminals in jail in the entire earth, is that the freedom that u talk about wizard?


dom

posted on May, 16 2003 @ 08:25 AM
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Oooo, a busy thread, ok a few things to say.

The US won both world wars - false. The US may have shortened WW1 by a few months, but their contribution was not overly significant. In WW2 it's undoubtedly the case that without US help the UK would have been swallowed up by Nazi Germany. I much prefer the way things actually happened, and I truly appreciate the sacrifices made by many US families whilst trying to liberate Europe. Truly. That said, I don't have to agree with everything the US do, just because of this.

SeaBass - The US should just act responsibly within the international structures. Going to the UN to try and gain legitimacy for a decision you've already made is not the same as going to the UN to try to solve a problem with the help of all the other major countries. US actions over GW2 just appeared arrogant, and very unilateral. Particularly when this is pre-emptive war, a war which didn't involve a clear and present threat to the US. That kind of war is unprecedented and should have been carried out with a great deal of care. It wasn't. That's the problem.

Shining - Well, it's nice to know you think I'm ignorant. I assure you I'm not ignorant, but I obviously do have a different opinion to you. You fulfilled my typical US response anyway, "if it was not for the USA you would probably all be spreaking German or Russian right now"... yep, I've heard this before. Honestly, I like quite most Americans that I've met, I only dislike a few that I've personally spoken to, it's just American foreign policy that I dislike intensely. There is also an element of American society which is quite selfish, which I also dislike, which might be the fault of the individuals, but I'd say it was institutional. Ultimately I don't think the US has always done things for the right reaons. Removing democratically elected socialist governments and replacing them with fascist pro-US dictatorships gives the US a pretty poor record of nation building. I simply don't trust your country to do a good job now.



posted on May, 16 2003 @ 08:39 AM
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with 18 years and ID card i can kill a person, america has the most high police per person ratio in the entire earth, same as the highest amount of criminals in jail in the entire earth, is that the freedom that u talk about wizard?


To a point, yes. You have to take the good with the bad - no society is perfect, even where YOU come from, CoLD. True, there is a lot of violence in the good old USA, but for all that violence there are 10X as many places that are pretty much "utopia". I am fortunate to live in one of those places.

You may think we're the "big bad bullies" of the world, but everything we do (that you think is bad) is for a good reason. Those dumbasses that protest every move our country makes apparently are not looking at the "big picture", the world as a whole.

I am in full agreement with shining wizard - if it weren't for us, who would keep these assholes like Sadaam in check? The French? Hell f*cking no. Any one else???? That's a big f*cking no as well. Argue your point all you want, we'll end up on top.



posted on May, 16 2003 @ 08:43 AM
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i completly agree with dom. and, like you, im fed up of hearing the "we saved ure asses" stuff. anti-americanism IS growing and i must admit, i feel it sometimes.



posted on May, 16 2003 @ 08:48 AM
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If you hate America so much....where is your ideal place to live? If you instead live in America, and hate it so much, then by all means....LEAVE.


America is made up of people (from all over the world) who weren't just content to leave things as is, but who wanted to see what's over that next hill, and who said "Know what? We could make this better."

From what I know (if you know otherwise on these, by all means, enlighten me), we were the first to mass use automobiles for transportation, develop airlines and air travel, develop telephone networks, the internet, radio and television stations, motion pictures, and a host of other world contributions to society in general. All this whining frankly makes me sick. The next time you want to hate America so much, think about how your life would be without us, and what you'd be doing right now without these contributions (playing cards?)...

Bah....


OR...

Maybe it's just envy and a lack of pride in your own country?



posted on May, 16 2003 @ 08:53 AM
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Originally posted by Gazrok
If you hate America so much....where is your ideal place to live? If you instead live in America, and hate it so much, then by all means....LEAVE.


Exactly . . . We're more than willing to get rid of anti-American hippies. They do nothing but drag down our economy - go leach off another country



posted on May, 16 2003 @ 09:03 AM
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(Cold anger, I'm glad you didn't paste the whole article this time - but, I'm asking you to scale back just a little more - the article is already on the 'net; a simple paragraph and link will do just fine. Again though, if you have simple 'copy-n-paste', that lacks any sort of initial discussion, I'd refer you to the Xgate system located here: www.abovetopsecret.com...)

Seems sooo many discussions come down to "in WW II we saved your butts...." or beer. Let us try to focus on Cold Anger's link.





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