Originally posted by yorkshirelad
Originally posted by stumason
That said, I have always thought that some form of National Service, even like the one they had in Germany which gave you a choice of the Military or
Community service, would be good for the Youth.
The youth I know are not work shy losers in need of boot camp, far from it. They desperately want a decent job instead of being used as cheap labour
by companies exploiting the law to pay minimum wages with minimum rights. My son works crazy hours, minimal breaks, sometimes NONE (just within the
law !!!) for minimum pay. The managers are typical of bad british managers i.e they could not manage their way out of an empty car park, I was
present (shipping) whilst his manager was having a staff meeting INSIDE THE FREAKING SHOP !!! utterly useless, very aggressive , very threatening. Who
gets the bonuses? The staff workjing their b....s off or the useless managers cracking a whip....hmmmm. My partners son works in a Pub.......I could
We don't need national service for youth, we need people in positions of power to stop being clueless idiots.
It's very easy to pick out examples on both sides of this, I have, and you have, but when you look at a national picture, there are far too many
people claiming benefits who are perfectly capable of working, and perfectly capable of doing numerous jobs, they choose not to because they are
"better off" being unemployed. Basically, they do the math and work out that they would earn about £20 extra in a job than they do claiming
benefits, so they decide that they would rather sit on their butt than gain some self respect and pride and earn just that little bit more.
I have had that argument with a relative of mine, who chose not to take a job because it would only pay him a little more than he gets on benefits!
Maybe the jobs are not ideal, but there is this notion that it's okay to just not work if it's not paying enough. To me that's BS. There is nothing
to stop someone from looking for another job while they are earning a minimum.
My first paid job was in a warehouse, earning £2.50 an hour, packing boxes and labeling CD's and computer games. We worked 8 - 12 hour shifts, in a
derelict building, often without heat in the winter, so much so that we used to put bags over our feet to try and keep warm. You should try stickering
CD's while wearing wooly gloves in freezing temperatures.
I was there for about a year before I decided that it would be a good idea to look for another job (I was only young), but found another within a
month and was out of there.
One of the biggest obstacles to getting a job is explaining what you've been doing, holes in employment records are a massive problem. Someone hiring
a person who hasn't worked for six months or a year is going to be looking for a reason why. It's not really good enough to just say you were doing
nothing, or claiming benefits. It's far better to be able to say you were volunteering, or doing agency work - that's what employers are looking
for, someone who is willing to work no matter what.
I agree with you that our government has failed an entire generation, and that can probably be claimed by at least two generations of youth now too.
But there are two sides to this, and government failure is just one aspect of it. I agree that the terms of employment our government is chasing is
almost slave labour, and I agree that it's morally wrong. But that is the hand that has been dealt, either fight it or play the game. A young person
can still fight it AND work, a young person can work and still look for something better. A young person is still better off doing SOMETHING.
Looking at the national picture, there are too many young people refusing to do anything, that's the reality of it. We can pick out examples that fly
in the face of that, but we can't get away from the fact that we have a very large number of young people in this country who do not want to work,
think it's beneath them, don't have the basic skills to do a job, and complain that it's everyone else's fault but their own.
That's why I think some form of National Service would be a good thing. There are too many with no self respect, no sense of pride and no basic
skills. If they can gain them in something like service in their community or nationally, then that's far better than them wasting a decade or two of
their lives perfecting how to shoot zombies!