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On the basis that people keep calling their son a 'thug'. Can you PROVE that? Can you PROVE that he was on "drugs", as was said by GZ? All i've seen, is people making rude comments about him being a thug, and on drugs, without any actual EVIDENCE. You know....the same EVIDENCE that was required to "convict". All SPECULATION. All defamatory.
Originally posted by ownbestenemy
reply to post by WonderBoi
On what basis? What "defamation" occurred? If this is your stance, shouldn't you also be defending Zimmerman when one of the media groups cut and edited a 9-11 tape to make the appearance that Zimmerman was consigned to make this about race?
Truly, I await your answer...
How to Prove Libel There are several ways a person must go about proving that libel has taken place. For example, in the United States:
First, the person must prove that the statement was false. (Everyone claims he was a thug)(Zimmerman said he looked like he was on drugs)
Second, the person must prove that the statement caused harm. (TM is dead)
Third, the person must prove that the statement was made without adequate research into the truthfulness of the statement. (GZ had no idea of knowing if TM was on drugs, while making the non-emergency phone call) These steps are for an ordinary citizen. For a celebrity or a public official, the person must prove the first three steps and that the statement was made with the intent to do harm or with reckless disregard for the truth. Usually specifically referred to as "proving malice"
Originally posted by PhoenixOD
The whole Zimmerman trial is just a distraction from all the real issues facing America today. Just let it go..
Boy, you sure are painting your "homie", as being a weak individual. Funny how GZ was the one with the MMA training. All that "drilling" TM was giving, and very little, IF ANY damage? I guess Trayvon was beating Zimmerman with a pillow.
Originally posted by Honor93
reply to post by WonderBoi
now that's just too funny.
his parents did sue already and didn't fare so well, did they ?
besides, they have -0- grounds under which to file a suit.
keep dreaming.
there is no defending TM.
he did it and he paid a hefty price.
what's worse, imho, is that Trayvon, after realizing his opponent was NOT EVEN striking back ... continued to drill him, mma style
that boy had no couth ... none whatsoever.
Originally posted by WonderBoi]On the basis that people keep calling their son a 'thug'. Can you PROVE that? Can you PROVE that he was on "drugs", as was said by GZ? All i've seen, is people making rude comments about him being a thug, and on drugs, without any actual EVIDENCE.
You know....the same EVIDENCE that was required to "convict".
All SPECULATION. All defamatory.
How to Prove Libel There are several ways a person must go about proving that libel has taken place. For example, in the United States:
Same with the State's evidence; it was speculation....
First, the person must prove that the statement was false. (Everyone claims he was a thug)(Zimmerman said he looked like he was on drugs)
It was proven that he at least, in some time past, participated in drug use. THC doesn't just naturally appear in your system. While I do not think it should be used in conviction, it does however prove that Martin engaged in the use thereof.
Pivoting to Zimmerman; it is proven that a media organization presented a 9-11 tape as being "proof" that he was racist by selectively editing the call to make that appearance. Are you willing to defend Zimmerman in the same aspect?
Second, the person must prove that the statement caused harm. (TM is dead)
Zimmerman was labeled through public exposure as being a "racist" because of the edited tapes....does that not qualify for you?
Third, the person must prove that the statement was made without adequate research into the truthfulness of the statement. (GZ had no idea of knowing if TM was on drugs, while making the non-emergency phone call) These steps are for an ordinary citizen. For a celebrity or a public official, the person must prove the first three steps and that the statement was made with the intent to do harm or with reckless disregard for the truth. Usually specifically referred to as "proving malice"
NSA is secretly SPYING on americans? Really? Do they even need to spy, when they have facebook? Talk about distractions from the truth. Geeeeesh. Americans VOLUNTARILY GIVE AWAY THEIR INFORMATION, NO ONE NEEDS TO SPY ON YOU. Where have you been?
Originally posted by Komodo
Originally posted by PhoenixOD
The whole Zimmerman trial is just a distraction from all the real issues facing America today. Just let it go..
NSA is secretly SPYING on americans which breaks the civil rights ....oh and michele O has stated that Mr.O's HOMELAND IS Kenya.............................................
Originally posted by Komodo
reply to post by WonderBoi
and the forensics..........
were scrubbed.. like dna matching and fingerprints and don't forget the bullit matching the weapon.
been on a grand jury .. I know how this ***** it works .. and I wounder if there was NO evidence in the GRAND jury .. why didn't it even go to court ?? or was this the GRAND jury .. ?
No one accused Zimmerman of anything. He BLATANTLY ADMITTED SHOOTING a teenage boy and was arrested.
In this matter, Zimmerman is the accused
Martin's character has been on trial, since the trial started. He's a "thug", remember??? A "thug" that "attacked" a neighborhood watch leader, for absowutely, no weason. Georgie didn't do anyting wong. [[[sniffle, sniffle]]] All he did was follow a suspicious black boy, minding his own business...when "suddenly" out of "nowhere" he was "attacked". [[[whimper, whimper]]] This is PATHETIC!
We are not arguing Martin's innocence or guilt; he is not on trial.
Originally posted by WonderBoi
reply to post by ownbestenemy
No! You stop right there!
No one accused Zimmerman of anything. He BLATANTLY ADMITTED SHOOTING a teenage boy and was arrested.
In this matter, Zimmerman is the accused
Martin's character has been on trial, since the trial started. He's a "thug", remember??? A "thug" that "attacked" a neighborhood watch leader, for absowutely, no weason.
( Georgie didn't do anyting wong. [[[sniffle, sniffle]]] All he did was follow a suspicious black boy, minding his own business...when "suddenly" out of "nowhere" he was "attacked". [[[whimper, whimper]]] This is PATHETIC!
Was it an "accusation" or a FACT? You can give whatever "degree" you want to killing someone. But, at the end of the day, killing is killing; murder is murder. Skip the legal mumbo jumbo.
The State of Florida accused George Zimmerman of 2nd Degree Murder....are you sure no one accused Zimmerman of "anything"?
How, EXACTLY, do you dismiss Zimmerman's background...establishing the fact that MAYBE Zimmerman lost control, due to his violent past? I mean, what's good for the goose, is good for the gander. Ironically enough, not in this case. How was George able to obtain a gun permit, if he had a history of domestic violence? I mean, who's running the show in Amerika? They talk about "gun control" but yet, arm those that have had a violent past? Hmmmmmmm DOUBLE STANDARD.
I never contended Martin was a "thug"; stop lumping people together because they don't buy your view. Martin's character, in a limited (and obviously held view from the court) is relevant to the nature of the altercation
because he no longer needed 'help' ... why else ?
Why did the screams STOP, after the gun went off?
don't know, you'd have to ask his neighbors, i'm not one of them.
HOW COME NO ONE ANSWERED "GEORGE'S SCREAMS FOR HELP?
How do you scream for help, while swallowing blood? Please stop...you're making it worse. Unless, of course, that's your point. I mean, read what you're saying, and tell me if it makes SENSE to you. You're beginning to sound like our crazy government's theories.
on the bottom, George likely swallowed most of the blood. besides, external blood and bruising don't always appear immediately.
Originally posted by WonderBoi
The only minority on the all-female jury that voted to acquit George Zimmerman said today that Zimmerman "got away with murder" for killing Trayvon Martin and feels she owes an apology Martin's parents.
The court had sealed the jurors' identities during the trial and still hasn't lifted the order, but Juror B-29 sat down in an exclusive interview with "Good Morning America" anchor Robin Roberts and she allowed her face to be shown, but concerned for her safety used only a first name of Maddy. Read more: globalgrind.com...
"You can't put the man in jail even though in our hearts we felt he was guilty, but we had to grab our hearts and put it aside and look at the evidence."
"George Zimmerman got away with murder, but you can't get away from God. And at the end of the day, he's going to have a lot of questions and answers he has to deal with," Maddy said. "[But] the law couldn't prove it."
"I was the juror that was going to give them the hung jury. I fought to the end," she said.
However, on the second day of deliberations, after spending nine hours discussing the evidence, Maddy said she realized there wasn't enough proof to convict Zimmerman of murder or manslaughter under Florida law. Read more: globalgrind.com...
"That's where I felt confused, where if a person kills someone, then you get charged for it," Maddy said. "But as the law was read to me, if you have no proof that he killed him intentionally, you can't say he's guilty."
As a mother, Maddy said she has had trouble adjusting to life after the verdict, and has wrestled with whether she made the right decision. Read more: globalgrind.com...
"I felt like I let a lot of people down, and I'm thinking to myself, 'Did I go the right way? Did I go the wrong way?'" she said.
"As much as we were trying to find this man guilty…they give you a booklet that basically tells you the truth, and the truth is that there was nothing that we could do about it," she said. "I feel the verdict was already told."
"It's hard for me to sleep, it's hard for me to eat because I feel I was forcefully included in Trayvon Martin's death. And as I carry him on my back, I'm hurting as much Trayvon's Martin's mother because there's no way that any mother should feel that pain," she said.
Sidenote:The show airs tonight at 6:30PM and tomorrow morning at 7AM on ABC.
We learned that of the 6 jurors, 1 wanted second degree murder, 2 wanted manslaughter and 2 wanted a not guilty, but they eventually all agreed on not guilty, of course. Read more: globalgrind.com...
How do you "move on" when the same theme keeps popping up. It's time we face facts. Blacks get a bad rap......BY DESIGN. Unfortunately, no one can see what "blacks" have done for Amerika. All they see is "thugs" and "criminals". And you say "move on". We can move on, when JUSTICE IS FOR ALL!!!
Let's shake the dust off our feet and move on to greater pursuits.