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Originally posted by OtherSideOfTheCoin
Originally posted by whyamIhere
reply to post by OtherSideOfTheCoin
Of all the people on ATS to fight with.
You choose the site owner?
Sheesh....Let me know how that works out for you.
what can i say, I like a challenge
and there is nothing in the T&C's that says "must agree with site owner" so I think i will be ok, nothing wrong with us disagreeing over the need for this forum,
I might disagree with the reasons cited in the OP for having this forum, but at the same time I am sure that it will produce some good threads at some point.edit on 25-7-2013 by OtherSideOfTheCoin because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by nenothtu
reply to post by Daedalus
But the "why" of it probably goes too far afield. Why there is a war on drugs in the first place is as irrelevant as the question of why people use them, and just as broad. It could easily have been "why is there a war on terror?", since many of the same tactics and equipment are employed, with fewer pitfalls. Drugs are a touchy subject, and promote emotional responses from both sides of the fence, and the next thing you know there's a brawl going on.
We don't need to dig into why there is drug use any more than we need to dig into why there is terrorism - it's pretty simple, really... because someone wants to. Likewise, the reasons for the war on drugs - OR the war on terror - are probably pretty much the same reasons. Money and control. It has nothing to do with "good or bad" or "right or wrong". We don't have to dig into the issue of why such things are viewed as "bad" by some, and not by others, in order to condemn the tactics used against them. Tactics which get innocents and "noncombatants" drawn into the crossfire in both cases.
On that account, we can probably mostly agree that the tactics are "bad", regardless of the stated taret. The stated targets are really irrelevant when overkill comes into play.
Originally posted by crazyewok
Originally posted by nenothtu
Why there is a war on drugs in the first place is as irrelevant as the question of why people use them,
Actually I would consider both extremely good questions.
I mean why are we spending billion on suppressing something while substances such as alcohol are freely available and shown to be just a dangerous as some hard drugs?
2. Minimum mandatory laws, how they vary from state to state? For instance what will give a person 3 years in Ohio can give a person in Florida 15 years.
Originally posted by Daedalus
the difference, and the distinction, which is of utmost importance is that we can expose the war on terror as being a sham, by pointing out that we work with "the enemy" in other countries...they must not be so bad if we're working with them, right?...so why is there still a war on terror if the enemy they claim we're fighting isn't our enemy anymore?
with the drug war, we can't talk about why that's a sham, for fear that we'll be banned for advocating use...
being able to discuss the why, and the fallacious nature of the "wars" adds needed context, and underscores the totality of how corrupt the system is....in other words, it looks better, in terms of constructing a coherent argument, when you can show that you're being screwed for no good reason, than to just complain about being screwed...can you see my point now?
This one i actually get (although not in the context of this forum) but all you are going to do is invite people to start up discussions about illegal substance misuse and fall into the same problems I am told you had with another forum about drugs.