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posted on Jul, 25 2013 @ 01:59 PM
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Originally posted by NavyDoc

Originally posted by TheMagus

Originally posted by NavyDoc

Originally posted by TheMagus

Originally posted by undo
reply to post by TheMagus
 


holey rusted metal, batman!
gee thanks for thoroughly depressing me.



merely pointing out that simple solutions won't work
especially when enduring social institutions are involved, in this case.
we are talking about a divide and conquer system 1st perfected in ancient India by [Surprise, Surprise !] their aryan conquerors [Caste in Sanskrit is Varna=Color].

so far most of the solutions promoted to end racism have been too passive [requiring the racist's cooperation ],
are based vindictiveness, or have been co-opted by the racists themselves, when not covertly promoted by them.

instead of abusing and twisting the hate crimes laws, simply penalize racist and discriminatory behavior, by declaring such "people" Mentally Incompetent, for LIFE.

no vote, no guns, can't run for office, most jobs out of reach, especially those that have a formative role on society so they can't spread their hate to future generations [teachers, LEO's, etc.]

no more taxpayers dollars wasted on plantations *COUGHING* prisons, ostracism is much cheaper
and will kill multiple birds with one stone.

no more "keep the white man down/ they iz pers'cutin us white folk/ dey tuke ar jabs" bs/ conspiracy claims
as they have made their own beds.

even the "smarter"[
] ones will either eventually give themselves away, or be forced to self-reprogram themselves
due to having to repress their regressive and objectionable behavior.


Thought control and reprogramming. George Orwell would be proud.

Would your totalitarian dream include all racists or just white racists? Would Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton be forced into reeducation camps too?


you have twisted my words to suit your delusions
is further proof required ?


all of them of course,
unlike some
I do not discriminate.



Actually you do...you like to bring the full force of government to punish thoughts you don't like. People who think like you, are of course sane--the mantra of every dictator since the dawn of man--and people who don't think like you get put away. The Soviets did this in their psych-prisons, so you have an intellectual friend in Stalin.


oh my
did i forget to post my disclaimer ?


"but feel free to disregard my words as I Am quite "Insane"


proof you've not done your due diligence, nothing prevents you from examining my posting history
[I have in your case, so i know whereof I speak ]

I am a firm and steadfast advocate of the destruction of society and the state.

so you can add persecution complex to your list of maladies then.

ostracism and shunning do not require the "full force of government" only individual and community level choices

you are after all free to take your bigotries elsewhere...

once again you've twisted my post

but hey it bumps the thread
and proves my point regarding institutions by putting the ignorance and "sanity" on display by providing an example




posted on Jul, 25 2013 @ 02:00 PM
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okay here's the thing.
we all appear to be able to say i love you to people we love.
and we all appear to want the best for the black community.
so what's the problem with saying we love the black community, to the black community?
and that they shouldn't believe the lies that we don't love them. i think it's a very good thing.
how can it be a bad thing?



posted on Jul, 25 2013 @ 02:02 PM
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it's almost a guarantee they would be shocked. very unlikely they would respond like this



posted on Jul, 25 2013 @ 02:08 PM
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If I may address a single item... a graphic in your OP

This isn't, and should not simply be about white people loving black people. This is a big nation and regardless of the history, today we are mostly all in the same sinking boat.

Besides that, focusing on race so myopically is to ignore the obvious... that it is a multi-lane highway. People of ALL races are suffering. Moreover, if there is EVER going to be a hint of racial unity in this nation, we need to toss out this notion that one person's hurts better than the next or one race's blood bleeds redder than another.

I wish I could change history. I wish I could go back 150 years and take my regional ancestors by the neck and shake some sense into them... to see just how utterly and forever wrong slavery was, is and always will be. But we can't live in the past. History is there to teach lessons, not chain us to the ghosts of yesterday.

This country needs to set aside all of its divisions... racial, political and otherwise, before it's too late and we no longer have a nation to share.



posted on Jul, 25 2013 @ 02:22 PM
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Originally posted by redoubt
reply to post by undo
 


If I may address a single item... a graphic in your OP

This isn't, and should not simply be about white people loving black people. This is a big nation and regardless of the history, today we are mostly all in the same sinking boat.

Besides that, focusing on race so myopically is to ignore the obvious... that it is a multi-lane highway. People of ALL races are suffering. Moreover, if there is EVER going to be a hint of racial unity in this nation, we need to toss out this notion that one person's hurts better than the next or one race's blood bleeds redder than another.

I wish I could change history. I wish I could go back 150 years and take my regional ancestors by the neck and shake some sense into them... to see just how utterly and forever wrong slavery was, is and always will be. But we can't live in the past. History is there to teach lessons, not chain us to the ghosts of yesterday.

This country needs to set aside all of its divisions... racial, political and otherwise, before it's too late and we no longer have a nation to share.



i agree with you but, consider that george zimmerman is thought of as a white person and although he's partially white, he's not any more white than our president is. as a result, i do believe the group that needs to know other people in the usa love them, would also be the same group that thinks of anyone who isn't of obvious african descent, as white.



posted on Jul, 25 2013 @ 02:33 PM
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i agree with you but, consider that george zimmerman is thought of as a white person and although he's partially white, he's not any more white than our president is. as a result, i do believe the group that needs to know other people in the usa love them, would also be the same group that thinks of anyone who isn't of obvious african descent, as white.


I think... and it is just my opinion, that we first have to find a way to separate ourselves from our history. Not ignore, not pretend it did not happen, because it did. The goal here is to turn about and see the world today as being the different place that it is...

No, it's not perfect but... we're never going to find perfection anyway. The goal is to join together in this time and take up the issues with history being history and today and tomorrow being today and tomorrow.

If we do not reach a point where we can create a colorblind society... where skin color carries no weight, then race will always be a dark cloud and the dream of a day when we are judged on who we are as people; as individuals, will never be realized.

Somehow, someway... we have to leave race behind us or we will never be free... any of us.



posted on Jul, 25 2013 @ 03:33 PM
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Originally posted by TheMagus

Originally posted by NavyDoc

Originally posted by TheMagus

Originally posted by NavyDoc

Originally posted by TheMagus

Originally posted by undo
reply to post by TheMagus
 


holey rusted metal, batman!
gee thanks for thoroughly depressing me.



merely pointing out that simple solutions won't work
especially when enduring social institutions are involved, in this case.
we are talking about a divide and conquer system 1st perfected in ancient India by [Surprise, Surprise !] their aryan conquerors [Caste in Sanskrit is Varna=Color].

so far most of the solutions promoted to end racism have been too passive [requiring the racist's cooperation ],
are based vindictiveness, or have been co-opted by the racists themselves, when not covertly promoted by them.

instead of abusing and twisting the hate crimes laws, simply penalize racist and discriminatory behavior, by declaring such "people" Mentally Incompetent, for LIFE.

no vote, no guns, can't run for office, most jobs out of reach, especially those that have a formative role on society so they can't spread their hate to future generations [teachers, LEO's, etc.]

no more taxpayers dollars wasted on plantations *COUGHING* prisons, ostracism is much cheaper
and will kill multiple birds with one stone.

no more "keep the white man down/ they iz pers'cutin us white folk/ dey tuke ar jabs" bs/ conspiracy claims
as they have made their own beds.

even the "smarter"[
] ones will either eventually give themselves away, or be forced to self-reprogram themselves
due to having to repress their regressive and objectionable behavior.


Thought control and reprogramming. George Orwell would be proud.

Would your totalitarian dream include all racists or just white racists? Would Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton be forced into reeducation camps too?


you have twisted my words to suit your delusions
is further proof required ?


all of them of course,
unlike some
I do not discriminate.



Actually you do...you like to bring the full force of government to punish thoughts you don't like. People who think like you, are of course sane--the mantra of every dictator since the dawn of man--and people who don't think like you get put away. The Soviets did this in their psych-prisons, so you have an intellectual friend in Stalin.


oh my
did i forget to post my disclaimer ?


"but feel free to disregard my words as I Am quite "Insane"


proof you've not done your due diligence, nothing prevents you from examining my posting history
[I have in your case, so i know whereof I speak ]

I am a firm and steadfast advocate of the destruction of society and the state.

so you can add persecution complex to your list of maladies then.

ostracism and shunning do not require the "full force of government" only individual and community level choices

you are after all free to take your bigotries elsewhere...

once again you've twisted my post

but hey it bumps the thread
and proves my point regarding institutions by putting the ignorance and "sanity" on display by providing an example


You said "declared mentally incompetent" which implies an official designation. You are not important enough to do a fullblown thread research so I just respond to what you post here. I get it, you like to harm people who don't think like you, rather than believing in freedom of thought. That is really the most bigoted and insane position. Of course it may be cool to your hipster friends to be such a radial anarchist, but that is such a silly fantasy held by adolescent boys who don't have to work for a living..
edit on 25-7-2013 by NavyDoc because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 25 2013 @ 04:09 PM
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Is the OP being sarcastic? Is this a joke topic?



posted on Jul, 25 2013 @ 05:34 PM
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Having read the articles, watched the videos, and read through the postings the following can be stated:

Ultimately, what many people have to realize is that it is a matter of choice, and many people live where they choose to be. Having been alive all of these years, seeing the end of one era and the rise of another, there are a few things on racism I can say I have seen. Does it exist, yes, but at the same time in this day and age, the problem when it comes to race relations is one where people have to be careful of what they say, and much of what they do say is often taken out of context.

The problem, as I see it, with many of the different groups and minorities and special interest is that the engage in not only the blame game, but also live in the past. You never hear about the good things that are happening or even where the leaders of these groups try to make a difference. It is always with what has happened in the past and how it affects people of that group in the here and now. As many people are focused on the African American society, due to current events, that is the example that I will use.

When it comes to those who claim racism happening to them, or for the reason of their very condition, one of the arguments that comes up always goes back to the time of slavery. How their ancestor, who they did not know, or even have communications with, was a slave, owned by someone. Not one person has ever thought to stop and think that just maybe that is not the reason for them being in their situation. Remember that there are 2 sides of this issue. Far too often people decide to get into their role in life as they see it. They cry the poor me, use excuses and ultimately to the point where it becomes ingrained in their mind that is how things have been and will be. Very few take a look and say that is how it has been, and it will not be. Point in case, several years ago I visited New Orleans, pre hurricane Katrina. What was the most shocking about this city, with all of its color, and history, was not the city, but the people. The racism I saw was not white on black, black on white, but a matter of a person, who I did not know, putting himself in the place of being a victim. His use of terms for himself was rather shocking to me, and ultimately, made me uncomfortable. I often wondered and still do to this day, why there was no pride in this person, and why he chose to be a victim and his mindset. But from his age I would say he did see the civil rights movements.

Another point, which is never talked about, was one group who were discriminated against, highly, to the point that makes the Jim Crow laws look like a walk in the park. This group of people, a cultural group, that looked different from everyone else, were so hated, and despised, were banned form most cities, or even forbidden into establishments. They were not sent to the back of the proverbial bus, they were not allowed on it. People viewed them with the same disdain as they do some groups today. They were not trusted, liked, or even accepted into society. But funny, how this one group, took the very little opportunity to prosper and grow to be accepted by society. They had to fight for every gain, fight for ever thing that they could, but every generation from the first one got the benefits of who was there before them and ultimately turned out to be successful. They did not choose to be victims or accept excuses as to why they did not prosper. They worked hard and it paid off.

The civil right movement has come and gone, yet we are dealing with the ramifications of those decisions and laws today. We remove the laws on segregation, yet the very people these laws were designed to help, ultimately, do nothing, as these same people choose to separate themselves from the rest. Far too often you see the division lines in most cities. Many people will look at most who are white and say that person has had it nice, and lived a privileged life, yet do not see what as a white male I have seen. With all of the laws to have equality on the books, has often led to a form of reverse discrimination, where people who should get help, can not get that help. When I was looking to go to college and get a higher education, I found that 99% of all of the scholarships that I looked at were designed for those who were not white, or handicapped, or were female. I used to joke that if I was a handicapped minority woman, I would have been able to go to any school of my choice, and all of it would have been paid for. And I did have the grades to go on to higher education. But for choices, I chose not to, and maybe that was a mistake on my part. But I will not blame that on anything by for me making that decision.

People need to start to take personal responsibility for their action.



posted on Jul, 25 2013 @ 05:41 PM
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Originally posted by NavyDoc
1-You said "declared mentally incompetent" which implies an official designation. 2- You are not important enough to do a fullblown thread research so I just respond to what you post here. I get it, you like to harm people who don't think like you, rather than believing in freedom of thought. That is really the most bigoted and insane position. Of course it may be cool to your hipster friends to be such a radial anarchist, but that is such a silly fantasy held by adolescent boys who don't have to work for a living..



1- no it does not require any official intervention, I have declared you mentally incompetent based on your postings on other threads trayvon etc. in addition to your childish trolling herein

what paucity of Imagination.
which leads us to :

2- you are not important enough to waste any further efforts on
especially in light of 1.



posted on Jul, 25 2013 @ 05:51 PM
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Silly question why don't the poor abused so called African Americans just go home. I mean really if they don't feel welcome just go home.

Just call me an old tired and well armed American



posted on Jul, 25 2013 @ 06:26 PM
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Originally posted by TheMagus

Originally posted by NavyDoc
1-You said "declared mentally incompetent" which implies an official designation. 2- You are not important enough to do a fullblown thread research so I just respond to what you post here. I get it, you like to harm people who don't think like you, rather than believing in freedom of thought. That is really the most bigoted and insane position. Of course it may be cool to your hipster friends to be such a radial anarchist, but that is such a silly fantasy held by adolescent boys who don't have to work for a living..



1- no it does not require any official intervention, I have declared you mentally incompetent based on your postings on other threads trayvon etc. in addition to your childish trolling herein

what paucity of Imagination.
which leads us to :

2- you are not important enough to waste any further efforts on
especially in light of 1.


LOL.

You describe yourself as a self declared anarchist type, yes? " I am a firm and steadfast advocate of the destruction of society and the state.'

Yet, when you find thought processes you dislike, you take an authoritarian stance:
"declaring such "people" Mentally Incompetent, for LIFE. "
" no vote, no guns, can't run for office"
" be forced to self-reprogram themselves "

So, you may be an anarchist, but, when it pleases you, you have no problem being one of the thought police. That is rather self-contradictory.

Then you backpedal and state that you would use societal pressures to adjust the unacceptable thought processes:
" ostracism and shunning do not require the "full force of government" only individual and community level choices "

That is a direct contradiction to the aforementioned, "I am a firm and steadfast advocate of the destruction of society"

So you are a firm advocate of the destruction of society but would use society to stop thoughts that you deem unsuitable? That is not only cognitive dissonance, but outright hypocrisy.

You are a great example of why anarchists are hypocrites: "no rules man, no society man, unless I want those rules to be forced upon society, dude!!!"

And why anarchists never could really survive if their alleged dreams come true because hipster anarchists such as yourself only exist because organized society protects you while you have your little fantasies.



posted on Jul, 25 2013 @ 06:30 PM
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Originally posted by zero1020
Is the OP being sarcastic? Is this a joke topic?


I thought the same thing when I first read this op. I may agree with the essence of what he says but I have a suspicion that the op may be indulging in hyperbolic irony (a little over the top) to actually make the opposite point he is making.

Just a suspicion



posted on Jul, 25 2013 @ 06:37 PM
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Originally posted by Willtell

Originally posted by zero1020
Is the OP being sarcastic? Is this a joke topic?


I thought the same thing when I first read this op. I may agree with the essence of what he says but I have a suspicion that the op may be indulging in hyperbolic irony (a little over the top) to actually make the opposite point he is making.

Just a suspicion


so no one here, including you, thinks it would be a productive and socially beneficial thing to do, to
tell the black community that the rest of the usa loves them and not to believe the lies that we don't love them?



posted on Jul, 25 2013 @ 07:00 PM
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i need a show of hands.
if you believe it would be a good thing to do to tell the black community in america that we love them
type 1 and describe why that is your answer

type 2 if you don't believe it would be a good thing to do to tell the black community in america that we love them and describe why that is your answer.

so far i've heard every excuse under the sun why my op statements are not legit, but hardly no one has addressed the concept of just telling these people that we love them
edit on 25-7-2013 by undo because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 25 2013 @ 07:05 PM
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I think it would do a lot more to show we "love" each other through our actions. Not just one community, or race, or political party, or state.

Healing our nation as a whole (in the United States) will result in every community being healed as a matter of course.

We are all in trouble, not just one demographic.



posted on Jul, 25 2013 @ 07:08 PM
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Originally posted by Serdgiam
reply to post by undo
 


I think it would do a lot more to show we "love" each other through our actions. Not just one community, or race, or political party, or state.

Healing our nation as a whole (in the United States) will result in every community being healed as a matter of course.

We are all in trouble, not just one demographic.


definitely, but the inner cities are already in crisis mode

what can it hurt to tell these people that we love them?
edit on 25-7-2013 by undo because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 25 2013 @ 07:12 PM
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I agree with you, it’s just that your post was so rare coming from ATS (which often sounds like a Klan gathering) that I was wondering about your sincerity



posted on Jul, 25 2013 @ 07:23 PM
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Originally posted by undo
definitely, but the inner cities are already in crisis mode

what can it hurt to tell these people that we love them?


I choose to help those who are at least willing and trying to help themselves. Race is irrelevant.

I tell others I Love them through my actions. When we fix our issues "at home," is the time when we are truly in a position to help others.

The problem is systemic, and putting band-aids on the gaping wound is not going to fix anything. The problem is much larger than just one community and by finding, recognizing, and fixing the cause of the symptoms, we can help everyone.

I keep saying this, but technology and culture are going to crash together at some point. If we arent ready for that, the "crisis mode" present in inner cities will look like an oasis.

I highly respect your intent undo, but I am not sure that addressing one community is going to solve the cause that precipitated the "crisis" in the inner cities in the first place. If we dont address that, it will just happen over and over again.



posted on Jul, 25 2013 @ 07:26 PM
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Originally posted by undo

Originally posted by Willtell

Originally posted by zero1020
Is the OP being sarcastic? Is this a joke topic?


I thought the same thing when I first read this op. I may agree with the essence of what he says but I have a suspicion that the op may be indulging in hyperbolic irony (a little over the top) to actually make the opposite point he is making.

Just a suspicion


so no one here, including you, thinks it would be a productive and socially beneficial thing to do, to
tell the black community that the rest of the usa loves them and not to believe the lies that we don't love them?



actions always speak louder than worlds
until the equality is visible and the institutionalized racism is dealt with, words will mean nothing

after all we have "sane" people all over the place, just look at the trayvon or social justice threads
you'll see the same trolls with reading comprehension issues derailing your thread here
edit on 25-7-2013 by TheMagus because: added comment



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