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posted on Jul, 24 2013 @ 10:04 AM
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The Truth About Drones


www.zerohedge.com

A lot of Americans have an impression that drone strikes are less damaging to civilian populations that conventional airstrikes. This would be false. In fact, earlier this month I highlighted an article from the Guardian that demonstrated how in reality drone strikes are 10x more likely to harm civilians per incident. Now, thanks to a recently leaked document we find that many more civilians including children have been killed in these strikes than many of us would like to admit.
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posted on Jul, 24 2013 @ 10:04 AM
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Well, I can't wait till more drones are flying overhead.

This article basically speaks volumes as to what is really going on with drone use worldwide.


For all of those supporting 0bama, and then banter on about peace and no more wars, you really should get your head out of your butt and realize what is being done, as the Dems control 2/3 of the Govt.



www.zerohedge.com
(visit the link for the full news article)



posted on Jul, 24 2013 @ 10:23 AM
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0bama, as you call him, is just following advice from the same military brass that forced Shrub into Iraq and to increase drone use.

Gonna blame someone, blame the right group. US military and defense contractors are responsible for everything drone-related.



posted on Jul, 24 2013 @ 10:24 AM
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0bama, as you call him, is just following advice from the same military brass that forced Shrub into Iraq and to increase drone use.

Obama still makes the decision, right?
The buck stops with him, doesn't it? Or is he not the POTUS?



posted on Jul, 24 2013 @ 10:28 AM
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Next time the pimple-faced teen behind the counter makes your Whopper wrong, complain to Burger King's President.



EDIT: Also, LMAO if you honestly think the POTUS has any say militarily.
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posted on Jul, 24 2013 @ 10:34 AM
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Originally posted by DaTroof
reply to post by butcherguy
 


Next time the pimple-faced teen behind the counter makes your Whopper wrong, complain to Burger King's President.



EDIT: Also, LMAO if you honestly think the POTUS has any say militarily.
edit on 24-7-2013 by DaTroof because: (no reason given)

Not a real good analogy, IMO.
If every Whopper served in a certain state had cyanide in it because the CEO of Burger King signed off on the plan to serve them that way.... well that would be closer.

Just who is the Commander in Chief?

Your reply to me is a real LMAO moment... Another Obamapologist saying that he has no control of what happens in his administration. That is truly funny.
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posted on Jul, 24 2013 @ 10:36 AM
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Originally posted by macman


Well, I can't wait till more drones are flying overhead.

This article basically speaks volumes as to what is really going on with drone use worldwide.


For all of those supporting 0bama, and then banter on about peace and no more wars, you really should get your head out of your butt and realize what is being done, as the Dems control 2/3 of the Govt.



www.zerohedge.com
(visit the link for the full news article)



Despite the fact the drone program was launched under the reign of G. W. Bush and he then undercut US credibility worldwide with allowing torture and kidnapping people in the night to fly them to Countries where they turn a blind eye to torture.. Or keeping people locked up on Cuba for years without a right to trial or charges or the fact that it was under his watch the surveillance of American Citizens was ok'd in secret. Or the fact the vast majority of casualties in Iraq ( in his vein attempt to restore his Daddys legacy) and Afganistan were under his watch as well you want to blame Obama? G. W. Bush has way more blood on his hands then Obama but you want to forget that part of this to attack Obama. There was over 250,000-500,000 dead Iraqi civilians by the time Obama took the oath. You would just rather overlook all that and blame Obama? Or the fact he almost allowed the economy to go belly up by sheer inaction. When Bush left office he had the lowest Presidental approval rating in our Countries History. Fact is you could care less about dead civilians anywhere., this thread was started as an attempt to bash Obama period. Learn some History then come back and let me know how exactly the Drone Program is the sole responsibility of Obama.

Obama expanded the program and the number of attacks increased.. Technology was much better and you could argue the Drones have actually saved lives of American Service Members and Civilians but is cheaper than the alternative of sending in troops.
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posted on Jul, 24 2013 @ 10:43 AM
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Originally posted by DaTroof
0bama, as you call him, is just following advice from the same military brass that forced Shrub into Iraq and to increase drone use.

Gonna blame someone, blame the right group. US military and defense contractors are responsible for everything drone-related.


Exactly. The Joint Chiefs advise the President on military matters. The President doesn't have to listen to them. He can tell them to do something completely different if he wants to, or not do anything at all. The ultimate decision belongs to the President, no matter how you try to twist it, or change it. The carrying out of the directive is up to the military, but the issuance of the directive is at the behest of the President.

If you don't believe that, look at Vietnam. The President had a say in every target chosen for our pilots, and was almost violating the law by damn near ordering troops in the field to not attack certain targets. He came really close to it, but never quite crossed that line.
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posted on Jul, 24 2013 @ 10:50 AM
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Damn! You got all of that out of his post and link?

Now doubt both party's and both Presidents share the blame, for innocent lives lost as a result of this program, and the War Machine and War Economy in general. For me the difference is the fact, that Obama pretty much turned 180 degrees upon entering office and basically doubled down on Bushy and the Rs policies.

Obama still has a lot of support from his followers, I took the OP as a call to those supporters, to recognize at least in this regard, he has proven no better than his predecessor, and to call for some accountability.



posted on Jul, 24 2013 @ 11:01 AM
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I get what you're saying, but you're also giving the CIC too much credit. There hasn't been a militarily trained POTUS for decades. Literally all military decisions are concluded by top brass and then presented to the President for approval.



posted on Jul, 24 2013 @ 11:03 AM
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Oh....I guess Commander in Chief means nothing..............when it is YOUR guy in office.

So, Bush was just going at the advice of those in the Military.

You rival a couple others, as the biggest hypocrite here on ATS.



posted on Jul, 24 2013 @ 11:09 AM
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Look, I defended Shrub when he was POTUS because there's no way every military decision was his. Similarly, not every decision is 0bama's. I don't blame Bush alone for Iraq, and you shouldn't blame Obama alone for the drones.



posted on Jul, 24 2013 @ 11:13 AM
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It doesn't matter if he was military trained or not, he is still the Commander in Chief. The ultimate responsibility lies with him. The military gives him options, he chooses which of those options he likes, or none of them and tells them to bring him more options. You're giving the military too much credit. They do what they do on the direction of the President.

So what was Bush? Both of them served in the military, both of them were militarily trained.
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posted on Jul, 24 2013 @ 11:18 AM
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For all of those supporting 0bama, and then banter on about peace and no more wars, you really should get your head out of your butt and realize what is being done, as the Dems control 2/3 of the Govt.




Perhaps it is you who should get your head out of your butt and realize that they are the same puppet with a different face. They do what they are told, they are figureheads. It frightens me that so many people still fall for the left/right, liberal/conservative, republican/democrat BS. These factors were created to cause divide as they conquer us.

No matter who you elect your country is going to continue going to #, and you might as well get used to it unless you are ready to contribute to some real change instead of placing the blame on the current carefully placed scapegoat which is exactly what they want you to do...avoid the real issues and who is causing them.

Sure, drone strikes have dramatically increased under the Obama administration, but Bush Jr started the Iraq and Afghan wars. I am not saying you are a bush supporter, but you appear to be a Republican supporter which leads me to assume that you voted for Bush...twice!


Do you think people like Bush or Obama actually have the mental capacity to run a country?

Let's just completely forget about the people "behind the curtain" they don't matter
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posted on Jul, 24 2013 @ 11:19 AM
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I will give you a little credit for your statement.

The issue still stands that the Tyrant 0bama can stop the use of drones. And he doesn't.

Backing him is like eating the plate full of cookies that was made with just a wee little bit of pee. Because after-all, it is cookies we are talking about.



posted on Jul, 24 2013 @ 11:19 AM
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Hey......Buddy............Who is in charge right now?



posted on Jul, 24 2013 @ 11:21 AM
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Originally posted by Corruption Exposed
I am not saying you are a bush supporter, but you appear to be a Republican supporter which leads me to assume that you voted for Bush...twice!



So you aren't saying that I am a Bush supporter, but then you are.

Maybe you should get the meta data from the NSA and find out just who I voted for.

Or..............just ask......



posted on Jul, 24 2013 @ 11:23 AM
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Originally posted by macman
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Hey......Buddy............Who is in charge right now?


CFR, Bilderbergers, the Banking Elite, AIPAC... just to name a few.

You can thank them for at least 4 years of Hillary coming your way very soon!



edit on 7/24/2013 by Corruption Exposed because: aipac



posted on Jul, 24 2013 @ 11:26 AM
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Originally posted by macman

Originally posted by Corruption Exposed
I am not saying you are a bush supporter, but you appear to be a Republican supporter which leads me to assume that you voted for Bush...twice!



So you aren't saying that I am a Bush supporter, but then you are.

Maybe you should get the meta data from the NSA and find out just who I voted for.

Or..............just ask......


All I meant is that I assumed you might be a Bush supporter due to your dislike of the Dems, I did not want to say you were a Bush supporter because I did not see if you said so or not and did not want to misquote you.

Are/were you a Bush supporter?
edit on 7/24/2013 by Corruption Exposed because: darned grammar



posted on Jul, 24 2013 @ 11:27 AM
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Originally posted by Zaphod58
reply to post by DaTroof
 


It doesn't matter if he was military trained or not, he is still the Commander in Chief. The ultimate responsibility lies with him. The military gives him options, he chooses which of those options he likes, or none of them and tells them to bring him more options. You're giving the military too much credit. They do what they do on the direction of the President.

So what was Bush? Both of them served in the military, both of them were militarily trained.
edit on 7/24/2013 by Zaphod58 because: (no reason given)


OK, Bush Sr. served, but prior to him, you have to go back to Ford to find reasonable military experience. My point is that as Corruption Exposed so eloquently put, there are always the men behind the curtains. Those are the ones responsible for bad intel or poor planning just to earn a contract. The President (figurehead) gets the blame and/or credit, but he is just the puppet.





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