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However, I cannot see how the rovers would make these kind of tracks - firstly since the images I posted appear to have very deep tracks if they are made by the rover, secondly, I do not see any manouver which could create the black and white earth movement.
Then Opportunity rolled back, scuffed the soil, and drove 55 meters (180 feet) closer to "Beagle Crater." The scuff helps scientists and engineers analyze how the wheels interact with the soil.
So, Phage, do you think these are rover 'scuffing' marks?
The rovers sometimes intentionally produce scuff marks in order to better analyze soil and rock conditions. It is done by change from forward to reverse, repeatedly.
Originally posted by jhn7537
So what am i looking at?
So, Phage, do you think these are rover 'scuffing' marks?
Maybe you can point out where on the map I linked previously marks where this 'scuffing' area is.
The available logs don't cover every activity.
What Sol and where in the daily log it mentions this 'scuffing' going on?
Yes, but the cameras don't show what lies just beneath the surface. For example:
They have forward cameras and backwards cameras, plus many photos with tracks in them which can be analysed by the scientists.
On the contrary. These are rover tracks.
It is strange how everyone is offering different 'factoids' about things which are periphery to the main point of the thread. NOT whether these are rover tracks but just about everything else they can desperately think of.
that is another stretch - what...the rover reached around and scooped up some dirt in its wheel rims and then deposited it onto the rock "carousel" so the scientists could take a picture of it? They have no idea where it came from, or when, just that they found it in their wheel rim. Science likes to tag and bag everything so the thought of not knowing these facts is inconceivable.
The image on the right, taken by the rover's navigation camera on sol 51, shows the rock post-scuff. In this image, it is apparent that Opportunity scratched the surface of "Carousel" and deposited dirt that it was carrying in its wheel rims.
Ok. But I sure hope the rovers don't end up as collateral damage.
I think there is a war going on between two different species and one routs out the other and destroys the city/civilisation.
The rovers aren't real fast. Not exactly NASCAR.
This is what is being shown in these photos not evidence for a bunch of speed-crazy scientists.
Who said they have no idea where it came from? It's dirt. Try driving your car through loose dirt. I bet you get some in your rims.
They have no idea where it came from, or when, just that they found it in their wheel rim.
Originally posted by qmantoo
And here we have some kind of intellectual reasoning to show us that there is a thinking person behind this post ?
And Erosion (ancient water, wind, sun, etc: erosion comes in many forms).
There are plenty of natural formations on earth that look artificial simply because we are used to comparing them to artificial means, but that doesn't meant they are.
The sandworms did it.
Firstly, ANCIENT water is not likely to have left us with a structure like this. Wind, sun cannot cause the soil to be moved in this way on Mars. Maybe you actually give it a small amount of thought and tell us what, in your opinion, you think may have caused this soil disturbance?
Secondly, we are not talking about conditions on Earth since the wind, water and other earth erosion mechanisms have a far stronger effect here than on Mars.
So, now what can you contribute to the discussion ...."sandworms did it" ? I hope you did not go to university to learn this discussion skill, if so then you may have wasted your money.
so these are not rover tracks at all but natural formations. I see.
Certainly likely NOT an extraterrestrial rover or Martians.
Not harsh conditions if you are an alien - only if you are a human. Start thinking outside the ordinary, and it is obvious that if there were any aliens at all, then they would not need oxygen, water, etc since these are specific to a fewer number of 'rocks' in the universe than are other compounds.
It's much more likely scenario that millions of years of harsh conditions produce such an effect
All these can work both ways. I see no evidence in the rocks on the ground for any of these. Show me how you arrive at this conclusion - other than parroting what NASA has said in their publicity and press briefings.
The second image is only through geologic processes (heat, pressure, time, erosion, etc).
There are plenty of organisms which do not need oxygen and plenty of organisms which live in harsh environments. At the bottom of the sea and in our bodies. We have plenty of weird and wonderful species on Earth which we keep on discovering. Yes, they are all carbon-based if that is what you mean, so we have no life forms based on other atoms.
However, that is the problem: we do not know of ANY OTHER LIVING ORGANISMS. We only have one template to go by as far as life is concerned, and that is life here on Earth. Until we discover life off of this planet, we do not have anything else to compare it to.
It all boils down to the fact that NASA is not really looking for life on Mars at all. If theye were then they would investigate everything which looks strange and find out what it is. But they dont, all they do is to photograph and document it and then show us the compressed-to-death images they have taken. Explain that then.
We do know however, that "Earth like conditions" once existed on Mars. Because of that, they are hoping that it may be possible that "Earth like life" may have formed and existed on Mars at one time. But, with the way Mars is now, that life would not survive on the surface very easily.
Of course it is hightly speculative and way out there by scientific standards because NASA dont give us anything to go on. If they released the same quality images they are getting, then we could at least have a fighting chance at determining what these things are.
Having a photograph of something and saying it MUST be "A" or "B", with no room for discussion of in between, is incorrect thinking. It's being as "closed minded" as you are accusing others of being.
Pointing to something in a photograph and insisting that is MUST have been made by a ET source, and being unwilling to entertain other explanations again, is just as closed minded as those you accuse. Worse, since insisting that it MUST be the way you say it is does not have any scientific basis what so ever, but only HIGH speculation on your part.
Yes, yet the Indians have not released 40,000+ images they took and the Chinese have not released theirs to the world in a public PDS-like form. Japan's JAXA images are really pretty terrible too and only mostly good for fly-by creations. So their findings ARE the same load of compressed rubbish we get from NASA. yes.
Even today the red planet is studied by people other than NASA, and their findings (planet geology, atmospheric make up, etc) are the same.
No, I said that NASA must have been driving it like a dune buggy on a beach in order for these marks to have been made by the rover BUT you and I both know they dont go anything like that fast. Dont misquote me to suit your argument please.
Instead, you wave it away, and still say they are moving fast, like a dune buggy on a beach I believe you suggested.
Originally posted by rocksandstuff
Whats this? A Thread about rocks? This calls for a Geologist!
And all over the world, seen here in California:
Now from a distance they looked like carved pillars of some sort of temple, but in reality are the result of perfectly natural geologic processes.