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Three Kings of the Abrahamic Religions

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posted on Jul, 22 2013 @ 07:00 PM
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The Three Abrahamic religions. Judaism, Christianity, and Islam.
Three Kings God the Father, Jesus christ, and the Prophet Muhammad.


Judaism revolves around the Lord god of the old Testament. God also known as "Lord God." and "Lord."
Centering on prophesy and Legends, the Old testament contains stories and dialogues that the hebrews consider to be history or fact. from adam and eve to the prophecy of elijah returning in the way he departed to "pave the way for the lord"

Christianity is considered to be a continuation of the Old Testament, with jesus born of a virgin birth, to his crucifixion and resurrection. Jesus was called the son of man and the son of god, the Lord 2.0 .Son of the Lord god of the Old Testament who jesus refers to as "the Father."

Islam has the prophet Muhammad who ascended into heaven. in Islam jesus is reffered to as a prophet and is not recognized as a messiah. Many people say the Islam religion has more violence in it and is reffered to as the religion of war. In Islam Allah (God) is known as the greatest deciever of them all.

Many people know the basics of the three abrahamic religions, but the questions arise.
How do we know if any of them are true? how do we know christianity is a continuation of judaism instead of a deception made to control us. Christains claim islam is a deception by satan wheras judaism and islamists agree that christianity is an ongoing deception by satan (or Ibliss in Islam.)

whats your opinions on judaism, christianity, and islam.

what are the contradictions, and similarities between the Three Kings?




posted on Jul, 22 2013 @ 07:23 PM
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in Islam jesus is reffered to as a prophet and is not recognized as a messiah. Many people say the Islam religion has more violence in it and is reffered to as the religion of war. In Islam Allah (God) is known as the greatest deciever of them all. Many people know the basics of the three abrahamic religions, but the questions arise. How do we know if any of them are true? how do we know christianity is a continuation of judaism instead of a deception made to control us. Christains claim islam is a deception by satan wheras judaism and islamists agree that christianity is an ongoing deception by satan (or Ibliss in Islam.) whats your opinions on judaism, christianity, and islam. what are the contradictions, and similarities between the Three Kings?

you just expressed the basic misunderstandings about Islam. Jesus pbuh is accepted as the Messiah by muslims. Maybe your own interpretation of the word is different.
Allah is not the Greatest Deciever, its a very choosy english translation used for obvious reasons.
He is the Best Planner. The verse in question says that "they(disbelievers) plan and Allah plans and He is the Best Planner"
anyone who believes in God will admit that nobody can outsmart God. Right?

The Basic similarity in the Abrahamic religions is Monotheism and a tradition of Prophets who taught that monotheism and invited people back when they drifted towards polytheism, worshipping saints or even a prophet. People do that, they have a need to worship something "tangible"/"material" be it a rock, sun or a son. The basic is to return to that pure monotheism.



posted on Jul, 22 2013 @ 09:33 PM
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Three Kings God the Father, Jesus christ, and the Prophet Muhammad.

You are making the mistake of placing Jesus and Mohammad on the same level as God.
God is the Creator and Jesus and Mohammad are His creations and His servants.


In Islam Allah (God) is known as the greatest deciever of them all.

What is your source on this?
I have seen plenty of Muslims refer to God as The Merciful, The Forgiving, The Creator and so on.
But I am yet to meet a single Muslim who refers to God as "the greatest deciever".



posted on Jul, 22 2013 @ 10:21 PM
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It's in the Quran.



But they (the Jews) were deceptive, and Allah was deceptive, for Allah is the best of deceivers (Wamakaroo wamakara Allahu waAllahu khayru al-makireena)! S. 3:54; cf. 8:30


Source

How do you not know this? Aren't you Muslim?



posted on Jul, 22 2013 @ 11:02 PM
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The entire foundation is faulty. Judaism is a response to the pagan faiths of ancient West Asia.

The Jews were nomadic, and during their wanderings they encountered various nations: Babylon, Assyria, the Levant with the Phoenicians and Canaanites, and so on. In response to the rejection of Jewish values by these groups, the Jewish scribes began compiling their own mythology, mysticism, and spiritual practices.

Where the pagans saw many divine forces, the Jews said there was only one. Where the pagans saw their deities operating within Nature, the Jews said their Lord was transcendent, operating outside of the sphere of Nature. Where the pagans saw the world as part-and-parcel with themselves, leading to agricultural myths, and seasonal rituals, the Jews saw themselves as God's chosen, thereby above Nature.

The problem arises though, when the Jewish scribes attempted to canonize their beliefs. Instead of their Lord dictating how Creation really unfolded... He took the myths from paganism, removed their deities, and inserted himself.

Instead of Enki and Ninmah creating humans from clay and spirit in the garden paradise Dilmun, or the Babylonian supreme-god Marduk using the blood of the slain Tiamat, alongside clay and breath to make humans, YHVH created them from clay and breath in the garden paradise Eden.

Instead of the unnamed Sumerian man who suffers terribly from personal loss, physical affliction, and spiritual maladies, but maintains his devotion toward, and love of, his personal deity, YHVH instead placed himself in the story of Job, who suffers endlessly, but maintains his devotion toward, and love of, YHVH.

Instead of the supreme-god Enlil wishing to flood the Earth and kill all human beings because they had become corrupt, and vile, and the wise-god Enki sparing Utnapishtam and his family on an ark full of their livestock, the Lord decides that He will flood the Earth to erase mankind's sinful ways, but chooses to spare Noah and his family aboard an ark with 2 of all kinds.

The parallels and obvious plagiarisms go on, and on, and on. My thoughts on the "three kings" then? They stole their myths, their gods, their mystical practices, and their spiritual core from the very people they claim are evil and Satanic.

The foundation was poorly constructed, the structure itself is fallible, and everyone should leave before it falls in on them.


~ Wandering Scribe



posted on Jul, 23 2013 @ 12:43 AM
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How do you not know this? Aren't you Muslim?


Tell me something, if you wanted to know something about Jewish beliefs, would you go to an anti-Jewish site as your source?

If not, then why do you choose an anti-Islamic website as your source on Islam?
In case you missed it, your source is an anti-Islamic website called "answering Islam, that obviously operates on an agenda against Islam.

The same verse from Muslim sources, say Allah was the best of planners / schemers/plotters.

And who did Allah plan / scheme / plot against? Those who planned / schemed / plotted against Jesus.

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posted on Jul, 23 2013 @ 12:52 AM
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Also, its not the first time I've seen people try to sneak in a questionable translation of that verse to make the case that Allah is a "deceiver".

I usually point them towards these verses from the Bible...


“So now the Lord has put a deceiving spirit in the mouths of all these prophets of yours. The Lord has decreed disaster for you.”
-1 Kings 22:23

Ah, Lord God! surely thou hast greatly deceived this people and Jerusalem, saying, Ye shall have peace; whereas the sword reacheth unto the soul.
-Jeremiah 4:10

And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
-2 Thessalonians 2:11



posted on Jul, 23 2013 @ 11:26 AM
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When speaking of "Three Kings," are we speaking of deity or prophet-founder?

• Deity: (Judaism, "I AM THAT I AM") , (Christianity, "Father, Son, Holy Spirit") , (Islam, "Allah")

• Prophet-Founder: (Judaism, Moses) , (Christianity, Jesus) , (Islam, Muhammad)

 



Judaism became corrupt through Babylon (Babylonian Talmud).

Christianity became corrupt by Rome through Apostle Paul and Emperor Constantine.

Islam became corrupt after the death of Muhammad because he never authored nor approved any finalized codex of the Qur'an.

 



Judaism and Islam are more similar to each other, with Christianity being the "odd-man-out".

Shariah Law is similar to Mosaic Law. Both Judaism and Islam adhere to a more strict interpretation of Monotheism, whereas Christianity has a polytheistic-leaning by adding a Son or Trinity to the worship of God, as well as the near-deification of Mother Mary, Saints, and Angels.

 



In my opinion:

Kabbalah > Judaism
Gnosticism > Christianity
Sufism > Islam



posted on Jul, 24 2013 @ 07:40 AM
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im hoping some people can point out similarities and differences like a few before posters where he said the lord hath decieved them for example.

maybe contradictions of each other.
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posted on Jul, 24 2013 @ 01:30 PM
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Text Judaism became corrupt through Babylon (Babylonian Talmud). Christianity became corrupt by Rome through Apostle Paul and Emperor Constantine.
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@Kgnow

Could you briefly explain just how the Apostle Paul corrupted Christianity? Would appreciate any of the Paul bashers to give their evidence of how the Apostle Paul denigrated Christianity. Have read of this from many sources but have never seen the reason or the authority to judge an Apostle of Jesus.



posted on Jul, 25 2013 @ 02:10 AM
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Could you briefly explain just how the Apostle Paul corrupted Christianity? Would appreciate any of the Paul bashers to give their evidence of how the Apostle Paul denigrated Christianity. Have read of this from many sources but have never seen the reason or the authority to judge an Apostle of Jesus.


Paul taught things that contradicted God, Jesus and the prophets. Especially by speaking out against the law.

Paul corrupted Christianity, in the sense his theology became fused with the teachings of Jesus and the prophets. Which is why Christians don't seem to differentiate between the words of God and his prophets and the words of Paul.

Besides Paul was someone who thought he had the holy spirit. Meaning he himself wasn't sure.

I think that I too have the Spirit of God.
- 1 Corinthians 7:40


Would Christians trust everybody who claims to have the holy spirit? Then how is it that they are so willing to trust somebody who thinks they have the holy spirit?
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posted on Jul, 25 2013 @ 11:46 AM
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TextPaul taught things that contradicted God, Jesus and the prophets. Especially by speaking out against the law.
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@ skOrpiOn

I took this statement first simply because it was the first that you gave.

Were you aware that the religious laws that were given to Moses by God were given under a covenant far different than the one that Paul was referencing in his teachings? Yes Paul spoke out against the law because Jesus taught him to do so.

Jeremiah 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

Heb 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

Paul was given the authority to preach the new covenant of Jesus by Christ Himself. Not the law of Moses but the grace of God. You should remember that Paul was the Apostle to the Gentiles and Peter was the Apostle to the Jews. And being so brought a division in the first church of the Apostles which was the question of whether or not a gentile Christian must be circumcised in order to become a member of Christianity. It was Paul who educated the Apostles in this matter as well as in the matter in which Peter was the sinner and Paul rebuked him. Read Galatians 2:11-21 and you will see exactly what I am saying.

So in this respect, yes, Paul taught against the law just as Jesus taught against the law. It was both Peter and Paul who preached in Rome. Not simply Peter alone such as some teach. Every command of the old covenant was taught in the new covenant by Jesus Himself and was fulfilled with grace. Love your neighbor as yourself was one example. Forgiving adultery was another as well as circumcision of the flesh.

To say that Paul taught against the doctrine of Jesus is totally false and parroted by the ill read critics which have denigrated the Apostle of Christ Himself.

You wrote " Besides Paul was someone who thought he had the holy spirit. Meaning he himself wasn't sure."

Learn to read in context and not to pull a verse (in this case a part of a verse) from a complete thought. Read the entire 7th chapter of 1 Corinthians and you will grasp the intent of the teachings of Paul. Paul is expounding what common sense has taught in the matter of sexual restraint. Jesus confirms this in His teachings of adultery and there is no conflict in doctrine. Paul has given his opinion in this matter and then says that in this opinion that he believes he has the spirit of God. There is nothing complicated in this at all.

Now if you believe that you are a judge in the matters of God then you are not living by faith. Even if you are baptized with the Holy Ghost you still have to live by faith and if you know that you are saved then you are not living by faith but you are living by knowledge. That is impossible because all people must die and then be judged and if you know you are saved then you will circumvent judgment and that is absolutely impossible.



posted on Jul, 25 2013 @ 12:16 PM
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Originally posted by Belcastro
How do we know if any of them are true?


Because the perennial philosophy can be detected in them... thus their mystical/contemplative traditions are in a certain kind of harmony with all the others. That is the stamp of inspiration.

Or to put it in Joseph Campbell terms... the monomyth can be detected in them insofar as they are "true". Or to put it in Jungian terms... the archetypes of the collective unconscious are found there.

All of mankind shares a spiritual heritage. World religion and myth is a single unit... it's a picture-language of the collective soul. The comparative fields give us the tools to read it. When a religion can be read with these tools and found to be in harmony with the pattern, then you know that it is inspired.

"No one, as far as I know, has yet tried to compose into a single picture the new perspectives that have been opened in the fields of comparative symbolism, religion, mythology, and philosophy by the scholarship of recent years. The richly rewarded archaeological researches of the past few decades; astonishing clarifications, simplifications, and coordinations achieved by intensive studies in the spheres of philology, ethnology, philosophy, art history, folklore, and religion; fresh insights in psychological research; and the many priceless contributions to our science by the scholars, monks, and literary men of Asia, have combined to suggest a new image of the fundamental unity of the spiritual history of mankind.

Without straining beyond the treasuries of evidence already on hand in these widely scattered departments of our subject, therefore, but simply gathering from them the membra disjuncta of a unitary mythological science, I attempt in the following pages the first sketch of a natural history of the gods and heroes, such as in its final form should include in its purview all divine beings--not regarding any as sacrosanct or beyond its scientific domain. For, as in the visible world of the vegetable and animal kingdoms, so also in the visionary world of the gods: there has been a history, an evolution, a series of mutations, governed by laws; and to show forth such laws is the proper aim of science."

-Joseph Campbell


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posted on Jul, 25 2013 @ 01:51 PM
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Were you aware that the religious laws that were given to Moses by God were given under a covenant far different than the one that Paul was referencing in his teachings? Yes Paul spoke out against the law because Jesus taught him to do so.

Jeremiah 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

lets see what the new convenant is,

Jeremiah 31:
28 In those days they shall
say no more:
'The fathers
have eaten sour
grapes, and the
children's teeth are set on edge.'
29 But every one shall die for
his own iniquity;
every man that
eateth the sour
grapes, his teeth
shall be set on edge.

so each will carry their own cross as Jesus pbuh taught and not the christian idea of assured salvation.
The new covenant can be more correctly what Muhammad pbuh came with.

Heb 8:6..
Heb 8:10..

you quote hebrews that may have been written by Paul or someone after him as a proof of paul's validity?

Paul was given the authority to preach
the new covenant of Jesus by Christ
Himself.

said who? Paul right?

Forgiving adultery
was another

that story was not originally in the gospel but added later making it very doubtful if Jesus pbuh had that event during his time.

To say that Paul taught against the
doctrine of Jesus is totally false and
parroted by the ill read critics which
have denigrated the Apostle of Christ
Himself.

you are talking like paul. He also claims authenticity by similar phrasing of words that arouse emotions and then takes cover behind the claim that Jesus pbuh is guiding him and doubting him equals rejecting Jesus pbuh!



posted on Jul, 30 2013 @ 03:11 AM
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Originally posted by Seede

Could you briefly explain just how the Apostle Paul corrupted Christianity? Would appreciate any of the Paul bashers to give their evidence of how the Apostle Paul denigrated Christianity. Have read of this from many sources but have never seen the reason or the authority to judge an Apostle of Jesus.


• Jesus came for the Lost Sheep of Israel and never spoke of a church or covenant for Gentiles (Matthew 15:24)

• Jesus adhered to and endorsed Mosaic Law, saying that not one letter will be removed from the Law until heaven and earth pass and all has been fulfilled (Matthew 5:18)

• Jesus taught that salvation is by works, not by faith. Jesus denies the doctrine of being saved simply by believing and calling on his name (Matthew 7:15-27)

 



Apostle Paul turned Jesus' teachings upside down by teaching faith instead of works and automatic salvation through faith alone, and by forsaking the command of circumcision, and by lifting the kosher restrictions on food. Paul did not know Jesus, and contradicts the Old Testament and Gospels repeatedly.

Jesus warned, "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves." Saul of Tarsus is one of the false prophets Jesus warned against.


Peace.



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