WHAT?? MSNBC host Ed Schultz blames Republican policies for bankrupting Detroit.

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Unions and left wing give aways destroyed Detroit.
And no ... we shouldn't bail it out. It doesn't deserve to be ....

Just curious?...how did Unions destroy Detroit?
Or left wing give aways?

I'd be interested in the economic evidence that either of those things had an impact?

And what do you mean by Detroit being undeserving of help?

Originally posted by Xtrozero
Tax the crap out of companies and they will go to another state...

Create unions that pay a guy dumping trash 70 bucks an hour and a company will not be competitive....

Make every other job in the city a "Government job" and there will be no taxes to pay for those jobs, oh and pay 3 times the value of those jobs and you only make things 3 times worst.

Ya these are all Republican ideals... lol

all of us citizens need to be competitive with Chinas wages. if we can just get American people to accept those non-union jobs like they have in china, we would be a lot better off.
www.bls.gov...

Originally posted by Indigo5
And what do you mean by Detroit being undeserving of help?

They did it to themselves. The rest of the country shouldn't have to bail out stupidity and greed.
The unions made their beds .. now let them sleep in them.
(and yes, unions in Detroit are left wing)

Originally posted by Indigo5

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Unions and left wing give aways destroyed Detroit.
And no ... we shouldn't bail it out. It doesn't deserve to be ....

Just curious?...how did Unions destroy Detroit?
Or left wing give aways?

I'd be interested in the economic evidence that either of those things had an impact?

And what do you mean by Detroit being undeserving of help?

c'mon, everyone knows the code words and phrases around here... put simply, the argument is, Detroit had black democrats running detroit for decades...so it's obvious that black democrats are incompetent and stupid in government, finances and business. anything other than that, is just liberal bias, please get with the program.

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The color of people's skin has nothing to do with this. What a racist thing to say. Stupidity transcends all races and nationalities. Marxist Socialist policies and massive depopulation due to high crime and higher taxes is to blame.

reply to post by jimmyx

right, and if you want the TRUTH, always listen to republicans. they only want to help out the middle class and poor.....geez...I thought everyone knew that.

Yes we do. We just have an alternate plan besides taking money person A earned and handing it to person B who didn't earn it. That's immoral and punishes person A for hard work and it's unsustainable.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by jimmyx

 

The color of people's skin has nothing to do with this. What a racist thing to say. Stupidity transcends all races and nationalities. Marxist Socialist policies and massive depopulation due to high crime and higher taxes is to blame.

really?...ok, I was being sarcastic...and by the way, "IF ONLY" that is what Ed Shultz said, I do not agree with him, but I think there is more to what he had to say, as I have found so often with right-wing posts.

Originally posted by Indigo5

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Unions and left wing give aways destroyed Detroit.
And no ... we shouldn't bail it out. It doesn't deserve to be ....

Just curious?...how did Unions destroy Detroit?
Or left wing give aways?

I'd be interested in the economic evidence that either of those things had an impact?

And what do you mean by Detroit being undeserving of help?

The public government unions, not the private unions. Retired bus drivers receive 100K per year on pension for example.

Listen to ya'll.....

Democrat this--Republican that!

WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!

The long and short of this whole mess we call America....

There is only one agenda going forward from here!

The two party system is just the means to divide the people(socially) enough to keep the focus off what is really going on...

And that is....

A global agenda to all but eliminate the middle class; thus creating a class that rules(all), and the pee-ons that do ALL the grunt labor.

That of course, is a way over simplified version of whats going on!!

Peace out!

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by Indigo5
And what do you mean by Detroit being undeserving of help?

They did it to themselves. The rest of the country shouldn't have to bail out stupidity and greed.
The unions made their beds .. now let them sleep in them.
(and yes, unions in Detroit are left wing)

You didn't answer any of my questions?

What did Detroit "do to themselves"?

And how did Unions relate to the economic troubles?

Originally posted by Indigo5

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Unions and left wing give aways destroyed Detroit.
And no ... we shouldn't bail it out. It doesn't deserve to be ....

Just curious?...how did Unions destroy Detroit?
Or left wing give aways?

I'd be interested in the economic evidence that either of those things had an impact?

And what do you mean by Detroit being undeserving of help?

reply to post by jimmyx


It's not funny to interject race into a discussion where it's not even the topic. That's called rhetoric or race baiting.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by jimmyx

 

right, and if you want the TRUTH, always listen to republicans. they only want to help out the middle class and poor.....geez...I thought everyone knew that.

Yes we do. We just have an alternate plan besides taking money person A earned and handing it to person B who didn't earn it. That's immoral and punishes person A for hard work and it's unsustainable.

how ironic you have a cross that Jesus died on, as your avatar, and you hold that opinion. the only people that Jesus thought were immoral were the "money changers"

Originally posted by jimmyx

all of us citizens need to be competitive with Chinas wages. if we can just get American people to accept those non-union jobs like they have in china, we would be a lot better off.
www.bls.gov...

Communism...specifically China's model of hybrid Communism-Free-Market capitalism...Creates a unique economy where the government oversees and manages slave labor to economically benefit the elite.

I don't think the USA should be adopting China's labor policies, wages or economic system.

Unfortunately we compete with them as if they were a free market absent the communist oversight of thier slave labor class.

We need to change our trade relationship with China...or China needs a revolution...perhaps the "Arab Spring" will one day morph into the "Asian Spring"...

Either way...becoming China is not the solution IMO.

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Jesus was against theft. And I never said I was against wilful charitable donations. I'm against redistribution of wealth. That's legalized theft. And maybe you should open a Bible, Jesus condemned numerous immoralities.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Marxist Socialist policies and massive depopulation due to high crime and higher taxes is to blame.

How so? It seems ironic that posters deriding Ed Shultz explanation as stupid...quickly offer thier own equally stupid explanations.

I would argue that depopulation and increased crime was a result of fewer jobs due to outsourcing?...unrestrained free-market capitalism.

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
Republicans didn't cause Detroit. Democrats didn't cause Detroit. POLITICS caused Detroit's implosion and Politics has both a left and a right side, at all times. It took all and both sides of them to pull off the conversion of one of America's powerhouses of manufacturing into Beirut in the North.

Whatever decisions either side made at whatever points over the many, many years it took to do this terrible thing to that city, EITHER side could have grown a pair and stood up to STOP it. Neither side did or cared enough to try beyond token effort to brag on come election day. Meanwhile, a city has crumbled and collapsed.

Bickering, Partisan fighting and general overall B.S. caused Detroit and it's in various stages of it across many many other cities as we sit here. We're just going to let it happen again and again, too.

geez, Wrabbit.....myself being left of center, actually agree 100% with the above post of yours, well said.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

The public government unions, not the private unions. Retired bus drivers receive 100K per year on pension for example.

I'd appreciate if you are going to litter the forum with un-cited claims you at least be accurate?

Detroit City Bus Driver

Art Vardiman, 62, a retired bus driver, said he lives on a pension of less than $2,000 a month

....

Vardiman, whose wife died in 2007, views his retirement benefits as due recompense for 32 years of work.

www.bloomberg.com...

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by jimmyx

 

Jesus was against theft. And I never said I was against wilful charitable donations. I'm against redistribution of wealth. That's legalized theft. And maybe you should open a Bible, Jesus condemned numerous immoralities.

Jesus was against the massive wealth accumulation of the kings and dictators on the backs of the working slaves. how much "hard work" did kings do, how much "hard work" is done by wall street billionaires.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by jimmyx

 

Jesus was against theft. And I never said I was against wilful charitable donations. I'm against redistribution of wealth. That's legalized theft. And maybe you should open a Bible, Jesus condemned numerous immoralities.

As a Bible reading person perhaps a review of this might be advantageous.

James 2:9 But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors.

How about this one?

Matthew 7:12 "Therefore, however you want people to treat you, so treat them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.

There are plenty of other great Bibles quotations that apply... Should I list more?

An odd coincidence of events is that I will be in Detroit in 30 minutes.