reply to post by redoubt
I am humbled at your thoughtful reply. Thank you for sharing that with us, in such an intriguing way. You deserve many stars, but alas, I only have
one to give.
Here is a thought. You have seen children (excellent examples due to their limited interaction with the world), go to an animal and want to get it as
close to them as possible. Hug it, squeeze it, pull its hair, you name it. They do not seem to recognize the animals rejection of it.
Okay, so years go by, and then little Timmy hits the animal because he knows the animal hurts, he can *see* it in the way the dog responds. So, has
little Timmy learned this because he knows what pain feels like (self learned), or does he know this because he *shares* that animals conscious
feelings on some unknown level, where he looks in that animals eyes and *sees/feels* it? You've seen it before, right? The sadness or the happiness?
Every pet owner I believe has, to some extent.
Not too long ago, scientists claimed animals were not *self-aware*, but new studies have been done that would prove to the contrary. Also, it ties
back to the question, does Timmy *feel* the dogs response. It's like, we know that the animal is feeling and thinking, but yet we have to prove it
with countless studies, and it's not so until we do.
I believe in coincidences, sure. I dropped my sandwich at the same time my dog happened to saunter by, and so she snatches it up before I can say
"darn". BUT, the coincidences that add up to our universe banging in on the scene from nowhere (not even getting started on matter and anti-matter),
our planet existing in such a way for life to begin and evolve on it, life (conscious or unconscious) existing, and then as you said, to be able to
ponder its own existence, is just, well... A little overwhelming.
But, I find it difficult to believe in an entity being involved in this for the simple fact of death, suffering, chaos, and of course the lack of
communication or evidence to there being an entity. If there is, they are some kind of terrifying, to create such a beautiful thing as life, thought,
hope and dream, just to shatter it with rot at the end.
So, I realize that we are far from understanding the very thing that makes us who we are. And why is that in itself so elusive? We can know
measurements, math, complex systems, robotics, nano-technology, etc, etc, BUT, we don't know anything about why we're even here. Why do organisms want
to keep making copies of themselves just to reproduce, just to do it over and over again, with no other meaning than to just reproduce. Apparently,
they don't even need a reason to have started doing it. They just did. Another coincidence. Why is it so elusive? Like we are not MEANT to know. But
we are MEANT to question. I'm sure it's a coincidence.
edit on 22-7-2013 by Amarri because: (no reason given)