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posted on Jul, 24 2013 @ 12:03 PM
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No, I know you aren't. You're one of the few that has approached it in a reasonable manner.

I've watched documentaries like that before, but I don't have time to watch that one right now. I'll try to watch it later on. For every person I hear that says how horrible the industry is, there are some that will say how great it was for them, and they go on to have successful careers in other areas, or become more empowered to do something they like for themselves.




posted on Jul, 24 2013 @ 12:06 PM
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It makes me sooo very sad that so many Men in this thread want to dismiss Women's feelings in this thread..



Do you also feel sad that women in this thread want dismiss other women's feelings on a larger scale than this thread?





and for the record, I am not fat, ugly, or frigid....soooo save that BS for girls that will take that crap to heart.....




Is this what women think of each other these days, and try and insinuate its a male way of thinking and communicating?




There are two different , maybe three, conversations going on in this thread.



No there is only one issue.

Just because porn is a part of the issue it seems that draws people to discuss their opinions on whether porn is good or not.

You have the right idea as its not for the children or society in a positive way only wrapped and dressed up as so.




I have NO faith that anything the government mandates is really on behalf of the people / children.


Good because it reeks of an agenda that has more to do with freedom and ways to deceitfully take then away by fooling a majority of the public to back any idea proposed by the ruling body.



posted on Jul, 24 2013 @ 12:12 PM
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Originally posted by Zaphod58
reply to post by MountainLaurel
 


No, I know you aren't. You're one of the few that has approached it in a reasonable manner.

I've watched documentaries like that before, but I don't have time to watch that one right now. I'll try to watch it later on. For every person I hear that says how horrible the industry is, there are some that will say how great it was for them, and they go on to have successful careers in other areas, or become more empowered to do something they like for themselves.


Look at Jenny Mccarthy, starts of as a Playboy model 20 years ago and now hold one of the most powerful position on daytime talk TV "the View" influencing millions of women with her points of view.

Playboy night not be seen as porn, at least hard porn, but still many see it in the same light as anything pornographic.



posted on Jul, 24 2013 @ 12:35 PM
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Again, I learned a long time ago that this will very rarely be a subject Men and Women agree on, as for speaking for other Women I really feel comfortable that is not my agenda, I'm the Mother of a 22 yr old daughter that was raped by not one , BUT two men at 19 yrs old....as long as so many Men "believe" this is somehow what Woman "really" want...I stand by my conviction that extreme porn is harmful on many levels.....do you have the right to watch what you want, Yes, but as much as you wanna ignore the implications in the name of Freedom, fine.....I don't believe in censorship, which is the tricky part of this whole discussion.

I speak up against things I think harm humanity, however my agenda is NOT to rain on your freedom to watch porn, as much as you want to make it about that......I have never, ever heard in my lifetime any woman want to be raped, do anal sex or be fisted...and us girls share our feelings......perhaps there are some that get off on this, maybe they take "control in their own way......I also know that people that come from abuse tend to inflict abuse...Men and Women....of course not all, but it is a fact that can't be ignored.....I truly am heartbroken at the responses by all the males in this thread that just don't get it....



posted on Jul, 24 2013 @ 01:54 PM
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Originally posted by sapien82
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have any direct evidence to substantiate such a claim !

I was exposed to porn at a young age as I found pornographic material outside in a bush ( which is common in the 80's in the UK )

and then later on at my friends house in his dads room !

followed shortly by the internet on my 56Kbps modem !

I am perfectly sane and have a healthy relationship with my fiance'



There are many such stories. I'd say that anyone who was curious as a youngster and liked to prowl probably at least came across some softcore magazines at one point or another. Most of them are just fine today.

I can certainly recall finding porn magazines in my youth. Now I won't say I'm perfectly normal but if anything messed with my head it was adults telling me what to do all the time and punishing me severely if they caught me with the porn magazines. There wasn't anything in those magazines I hadn't imagined a thousand times in my head.



posted on Jul, 24 2013 @ 01:56 PM
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I stand by my conviction that extreme porn is harmful on many levels


And I would fully support you, if by extreme you mean violent and non consensual portrayal then yes, a big yes.





but as much as you wanna ignore the implications in the name of Freedom, fine.....I don't believe in censorship, which is the tricky part of this whole discussion.



Please do not get me wrong, I wish not to imply by what I post that I am willing to ignore the implications of porn or extreme porn in the name of freedom. I just don't think that is the root issue or the real issue thats need to be pointed out in this thread, and is using porn because porn is an individual preference and will be easy to create a divide between those debating.




I speak up against things I think harm humanity, however my agenda is NOT to rain on your freedom to watch porn, as much as you want to make it about that


I never said it was your agenda to do so or that I do watch porn, please stop assuming or confusing with another poster. I have no reason to make it about that when that is what the thread about, Online porn being blocked.

Porn and the impact it has on society should for another thread if people want to discuss this in detail as it takes away from the issue of banning or blocking something that has been available for a long time and the issues surrounding it have been around for just as long.

You have actually agreed with what I think the issue is of this proposal by posting this



I have NO faith that anything the government mandates is really on behalf of the people / children.


There is obviously another agenda, and use this concept to play on the fears of parents and worse instill fear into parents who might ignorant that this really isn't needed when its available now its just a parent must take the responsibility them selves.

So I am not sure why you want expand with how porn effects society and confuse the real issue which is to do with freedom of choice.

If the Cameron government came out and said we have had so and so university do a study that has found Porn especially graphic/extreme porn have a negative impact on society, something need to be done. Then what many are discussing about whats morally right or good for society would have a place in this thread but its not about a study done or any statistical review by some authority to point out the negative impact on society.

Its more of a privacy issue and taking that freedom away from people to be ale to watch what they want, not how it impacts society.




I truly am heartbroken at the responses by all the males in this thread that just don't get it....



You have just done what you accuse others of not getting.

Spoken out of ignorance.


Many males do get it, its just your on a different page of the book.



posted on Jul, 24 2013 @ 02:02 PM
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Originally posted by MountainLaurel
reply to post by InhaleExhale
 


Again, I learned a long time ago that this will very rarely be a subject Men and Women agree on, as for speaking for other Women I really feel comfortable that is not my agenda, I'm the Mother of a 22 yr old daughter that was raped by not one , BUT two men at 19 yrs old....as long as so many Men "believe" this is somehow what Woman "really" want...I stand by my conviction that extreme porn is harmful on many levels.....do you have the right to watch what you want, Yes, but as much as you wanna ignore the implications in the name of Freedom, fine.....I don't believe in censorship, which is the tricky part of this whole discussion.

I speak up against things I think harm humanity, however my agenda is NOT to rain on your freedom to watch porn, as much as you want to make it about that......I have never, ever heard in my lifetime any woman want to be raped, do anal sex or be fisted...and us girls share our feelings......perhaps there are some that get off on this, maybe they take "control in their own way......I also know that people that come from abuse tend to inflict abuse...Men and Women....of course not all, but it is a fact that can't be ignored.....I truly am heartbroken at the responses by all the males in this thread that just don't get it....
You are making a very huge and quite honestly wrong assumption that Porn=Sex=Rape=Violence=Men....

That's why you don't or wont understand.

Violence is WRONG, Rape is WRONG....

Believe it or not, not all men are rapists!! Blimey, who would've thought....

I am sickened by women who paint all men with the same brush.

I like, enjoy and use porn quite regularly and I have never, ever, once in my whole life EVER used violence or even had the slightest hint of an idea of an acorn of a thought about rape. Frankly you sicken me.



posted on Jul, 24 2013 @ 02:16 PM
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All of my guy friends have watched porn, had the magazines, etc. NOT ONE has ever said women want to be raped. We also grew up playing Doom and other violent video games, and none of us have ever acted in a violent way to a woman (unless she hits first, then all bets are off). I put my elbow through a door once to keep from hitting my ex, even though she was doing everything possible to get me to hit her. You know why my friends and I are like this? Because our parents took the time to teach us right from wrong, instead of putting us in front of a TV and expecting us to raise ourselves.



posted on Jul, 24 2013 @ 02:33 PM
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Originally posted by Pilgrum

Yes it's been around since the dawn of humans and it will never ever be stamped out but the current types of bestiality and under-age child abuse (yes it is abuse, illegal and harsh punishments apply in many civilized countries) go far beyond what the average person could consider excessive.


On the contrary. I would argue the kind of stuff you are describing here (child abuse and bestiality and so forth) is the kind of thing you don't typically just stumble upon unless you're specifically looking for it. In all of my years of surfing porn, I can say that you almost always get what you search for. If you're looking for softcore pictures, that's pretty much what you'll get.

The anti-porn handwringers society would have you believe the porn industry is overrun with bestiality and child pron but nothing could be farther from the truth. Where I live, both forms of porn are already illegal to produce and posses. The people who make legit porn here are not interested in breaking any of these laws (that already exist).

The kind of porn you're talking about no doubt exists in some form but it is made by criminals who are already breaking the laws in countries like the United States and Britain. It is pretty shameful of you to try and imply the entire porn industry is making this type of illegal porn when it completely defies common sense to think someone who has an endless supply of legal women would ever risk such a thing. If it is happening at all, it is not the norm. The people who are doing it will eventually get punished for it.

Most people are only interested in legal porn. I believe simulated rape porn has been mentioned and that is a grey area but it is still only simulated. You wouldn't accuse someone who watched the Terminator of murder because there was a lot of simulated murder in the film. While there is no doubt such things have some effect on people who have weak minds we cannot dumb our entire society down to the level of it's weakest members. I believe people are capable of dealing with fantasy material the way it's intended to be processed. As something you toy with in your head. You don't play a FPS video game and go shoot people because you think it must be OK if you're allowed to do it in a video game. If anyone is doing this, we need to look at educating people so they aren't this stupid.

Again, the stuff some people are trying to use as an excuse is all fringe material and people are trying to lump everyone who likes adult material in with a few criminals. This was predictable but you should also be able to see right through it.
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posted on Jul, 24 2013 @ 03:15 PM
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Originally posted by MountainLaurel

I'm the Mother of a 22 yr old daughter that was raped by not one , BUT two men at 19 yrs old


You and your daughter have my sincere sympathies but I don't see what this has to do with anything. Frankly, the way it comes across is that you're just trying to push people's buttons by shocking them with a sad story and then trying to persuade them to take your side because you're a victim.

As I mentioned before, I am now 40 years old, have been watching porn all my adult life and have never raped anyone. I've seen more porn than probably your average male because I have epilepsy and have not had many jobs (therefore, I've had lots of free time to burn). So if filling your head with as much porn as you can cram in there while being male is supposed to turn you into a rapist, I'm afraid I have to inform you that it was a failure in my case. I've seen all kinds. If it is legal, I've seen it. Slapping, choking. Whatever. This is not a brag. I'm just pointing out that a person can watch even the worst of what is legal and still be a kind person who gets along just fine in society. In fact, I like women better than men.

Do you just think it might be that bad people do bad things and it has very little to do with what you watch, read, listen to or are exposed to? I mean, I'm not entirely denying that a bad man might be inspired by something he sees in a porn flick, a comic book, a cartoon, a movie or even something he hears in a song. Obviously, people who are inclined to do certain things to start with might be set off by any little thing. They might even be inspired by things that don't make sense to anyone but them. Are we really supposed to blot out anything that could possibly motivate such people? Do you really want to turn the world into Sesame Street?

In fact, if you want to eliminate any possibility that some strange person might get the wrong idea from something he saw or heard or whatever, you can't have PBS either but it's completely unpredictable. Oh yeah. You might be able to predict that porn might be taken too literally by a few people but who could have predicted David Berkowitz's motive?


....as long as so many Men "believe" this is somehow what Woman "really" want...I stand by my conviction that extreme porn is harmful on many levels


You have not justified your belief that many men really do believe this is what women really want. Where did you get that idea? How do you arrive at the conclusion that many men believe women want to be raped? This is ridiculous. Men are not stupid. If anything, we know women really do not want sex at all. Especially the kind of kinky sex that is typically depicted in the standard porn flick. This is why porn exists. Because women generally have to be paid to do this kind of thing exactly the way men want it to be done.

Now where in the world would you get the idea that the average man (who knows full well that women don't like porn sex) would believe that this is what women really want and therefore they have to be forced to do it through rape? This is completely loopy. I cannot say there aren't some crazy men who might have such crazy ideas but unless you believe the vast majority of men are crazy, I don't see how you can really think men think this way.

It has never gone through my head once that women really want to be raped. I have no doubt that some women might have rape fantasies but I seriously doubt even they would want to live them. Fantasies generally exist because they are not realistic. Because they would be too difficult or dangerous in real life.

You cannot, for example, count on finding a woman who just loves dirty sex every Saturday night. This is a fantasy because it is something that just isn't going to happen in the real world for most men. It would be extremely difficult for the average man to make this fantasy happen once a month IF he was lucky. And it might even be dangerous if you take STDs and so forth into account. You can only make this happen by buying a packaged product. This makes it as safe and as easy as it can possibly be.


.....do you have the right to watch what you want, Yes, but as much as you wanna ignore the implications in the name of Freedom, fine.....I don't believe in censorship, which is the tricky part of this whole discussion.


The people who are pushing these laws DO believe in censorship. And this is what I call a baby step. You can also call it a trial balloon or the boiling frog technique. Whatever.


I speak up against things I think harm humanity


Porn does not harm humanity. You are confusing inanimate objects with people. And not just people. But you're confusing objects with actions. Just like the gun ban people do. And this wouldn't be so bad if I believed for a second that you weren't doing it on purpose.

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posted on Jul, 24 2013 @ 07:47 PM
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Originally posted by MountainLaurel
There are two different , maybe three, conversations going on in this thread. Again at the end of the day I have NO faith that anything the government mandates is really on behalf of the people / children......I think I try and participate , acknowledge and maybe use my life experiences to make what ever little difference I can at this point. I have been brutally honest in my reactions and thoughts here on ATS....and talked about things I sometimes regret...lol....yeah, I know all us folks over 40 will hopefully just die, cause we are sooo stupid, and I think the kid that made that statement hopes we are all dead at 60 will consider we might have something to offer, but no worries, for me I already decided I'm willing to die to let our kids live if I ever have to make that decision.


I appreciate your honesty, but it would have been better if you addressed me directly. I dont wish death on anyone. People have a right ot be stupid or sick, if you insist in putting words into my mouth, because I never said them, or implied them. It really seems you have anger issues to deal with and I cant help you.

I was simply making an anology between what older people consider reasonable and what younger people of today consider reasonable. Things change whether we like them to or not. Thats all I was doing!


No doubt there are some generation differences when it comes to porn, but believe it or not this "old" lady knows a few things, I grew up in the SF Valley, Porn Capital of USA.....and even if your not directly involved, which I wasn't, I saw things that I never really understood exactly, but make perfect sense to me now, parties my BF's band would play at having bedrooms with very expensive, professional cameras that were NOT the norm of the day, there was no internet, in those days, 80's, at least not to average homes.

It makes me sooo very sad that so many Men in this thread want to dismiss Women's feelings in this thread..Do you think we all weren't sexual, "horny kids", do you think we didn't see porn, and maybe even enjoy it as a 'couples" activity, do you think we didn't know most Men had Playboy mags, LOLOLO ....one of the funniest things I ever saw was my friend draw bikini's on one of her hubby's mags. Do you think we don't have Husbands, Lover's, Son's , Nephew's that we LOVE, and we don't try and understand that they are wired differently when it comes to visual stimulation and sexuality.


I am male and dont like all forms of extreme porn either. Some forms I do like and others I do not like.

What exactly is so abnormal about this? You just admitted you watched porn magazines and enjoyed them.

Maybe you are just confused and confusing everyone else? Could that be it?
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posted on Jul, 24 2013 @ 08:02 PM
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Originally posted by MountainLaurel
reply to post by InhaleExhale
 


Again, I learned a long time ago that this will very rarely be a subject Men and Women agree on, as for speaking for other Women I really feel comfortable that is not my agenda, I'm the Mother of a 22 yr old daughter that was raped by not one , BUT two men at 19 yrs old....as long as so many Men "believe" this is somehow what Woman "really" want...I stand by my conviction that extreme porn is harmful on many levels.....do you have the right to watch what you want, Yes, but as much as you wanna ignore the implications in the name of Freedom, fine.....I don't believe in censorship, which is the tricky part of this whole discussion.


So why didn't you report the rapings to the police? Instead you get angry and paint ALL MEN who watch "extreme porn", whatever the heck that is, as somehow being wrong. Sex is natural, just as natural as war is, just as natural as lying is, just as natural as being honest is, you get my point.

This debate reminds me of the gun control freaks who lost loved ones and want to take it out on everyone because they were unlucky in life, the people who commmited the crimes never got punished.

Two wrongs don't make a right though.



posted on Jul, 24 2013 @ 09:21 PM
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I am actually wondering of the motives of some posters. If what they post is legitimate feelings based on unfortunate events of their life which made them join the feminist movement, OR if this isn't some black-ops misinformation campaign to eventually ban pornography.



posted on Jul, 24 2013 @ 09:33 PM
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Originally posted by Zaphod58
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All of my guy friends have watched porn, had the magazines, etc. NOT ONE has ever said women want to be raped. We also grew up playing Doom and other violent video games, and none of us have ever acted in a violent way to a woman (unless she hits first, then all bets are off). I put my elbow through a door once to keep from hitting my ex, even though she was doing everything possible to get me to hit her. You know why my friends and I are like this? Because our parents took the time to teach us right from wrong, instead of putting us in front of a TV and expecting us to raise ourselves.


I have met women that are kinkier than men and that drop guys because they are not good enough in bed. Tell me this doesn't happen. Someone doesnt have the correct tools or lacks experience. "Sex and the city" portrays this perfectly.

Women that hit on men. Women that need to be told no and wont listen.

But what the hell, lets just bash guys and generalise to death. It helps the government.

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posted on Jul, 24 2013 @ 10:28 PM
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Originally posted by truthermantwo
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yeah but sex is something that is an inherent personal responsibility. You cant just go out jumping on someone like dogs do and expect them to respect you or perhaps let you live. The reason young people are expirementing so much is because society and media are subliminaly telling them it's going to happen, they might as well start early, instead of using their time while young and fresh to fill their brain with a path to self sustanance.
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No the reason they are experimenting so much is because they are young people and that is what young people tend to do. They do not need anyone to subliminally tell them they want to have sex they already know that they want to have sex. They have known this since little Bobby looked at little Susie and got aroused. The only thing that has really changed in the last couple hundred years is that instead of covering it up people actually admit it happens.



posted on Jul, 24 2013 @ 10:56 PM
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Originally posted by PhoenixOD
Wow this present government has really gone power mad. In Amsterdam they have had legal porn for many years and they have a very low sex crime rate. Blocking porn should be a decision made by us not forced on us!

I think this country needs to grow up do some real parenting and stop letting Cameron bully us around.


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I don't think this has to do with sex crime as much as it has to do with online porn addiction and the adverse affects it has on people who abuse it over long periods of time.

I.E.

Porn addiction induced erectile dysfunction and dopamine flooding in the brain.

This is not something that existed in grand scale before the internet. As long as they aren't removing your right to watch it if you want -- I don't think there is anything wrong with this. It's not removing free will or choice. It's just placing a default. As long as there is no fees or licensing or a "vig" associated with removing the filter, this is not an infringement on the rights of a person but will in fact have positive results for youth growing up with instant access to hundreds of thousands of porn flicks at their fingertips.

This is also something that can only really effectively be done at the ISP level. For all those people that say the parents should moderate this -- it can't really be moderated. It's very easy to circumvent parental control filters, and I can assure you, a child that wishes to learn, will learn.

When it's blocked by ISP by government request, it'll only be accessible through proxy -- getting reliable and fast/working proxy servers is not easy, and often times requires payment if you wish for a "high speed" result.


Making it much more unlikely/impractical for children to gain access until they mature enough to make an informed decision on their own.

I don't feel like this is a case of "nanny" state. I feel like they are leaving the parenting up to the parents, but providing a solid system in which the parents can almost guarantee a desired outcome, be they supportive of porn, or against.


Will this hurt the porn industry? Not likely. People who purchase porn will still purchase porn... There is literally no reason to purchase porn anymore, as the amount of free porn is absurd. You can watch entire 2 hour films in near hd quality for free on these stream sites. Almost every porn site can be found a dump via torrent as well.... Yet people still purchase porn! It's pretty much a bullet proof industry.

Being able to skip through thousands of porno videos, with new faces and new people, with different features, very quickly -- actually changes the brain function. This is science fact. It can take up to a year or two to undo the changes the brain makes as a result to such abuse.


As long as you don't lose your right to view it, I see nothing wrong with making it difficult to accidentally view it, or accidentally allow those who aren't mature enough to respect the medium to view it.


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posted on Jul, 24 2013 @ 11:04 PM
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not sure how the british government can do that but, not a bad idea... Kids are sneaky... I dont think its much of a civil rights intrusion, the brits are by default and have been somewhat of a NANNY state anyhow..

Figured I would try and get this thread back on topic, yet another opinionated derailed thread about sex..


Of course most all women hate porn.. Yet they know all the genre's of porn that exist..


I tell ya, trolling ats is a hobby for allot of folks.


anyhow carry on with your off topic opinions about sex on film..



posted on Jul, 25 2013 @ 12:38 AM
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Originally posted by EarthCitizen07


I have met women that are kinkier than men and that drop guys because they are not good enough in bed. Tell me this doesn't happen.


So have I but we need to be honest and admit this is fairly rare. Again, porn exists for a reason. Generally, there are FAR more men who are FAR more interested in kink, fetishes and the kind of hardcore sex depicted in porn than there are women interested in same.



posted on Jul, 25 2013 @ 12:41 AM
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Originally posted by Bicent76
not sure how the british government can do that but, not a bad idea... Kids are sneaky... I dont think its much of a civil rights intrusion, the brits are by default and have been somewhat of a NANNY state anyhow..


You don't think it's much of a civil rights intrusion for the government to automatically CENSOR your internet connection unless you ask them nicely not to? Seriously? That's a couple of hairs away from them censoring it and telling you to get lost when you ask them not to.

Yeah. Britain is a nanny state by nature but there is absolutely no reason to give up without at least protesting.
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posted on Jul, 25 2013 @ 01:13 AM
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Well, you could just bring down the communication systems as a protest.

But in this day and age, that would be regarded as military provocation.

Mind you, I'm not advocating hostile actions at all. Just apathy.




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