Online pornography to be blocked by default, PM to announce

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on the topic of porn.

for those that think this is the topic being talked about on ATS the largest and most intelligent conspiracy community in the world all I have is this for you

I remenber when I got my first computer with Dial Up internet on 1995 running 14kbps lol. Those boob pictures downloaded in about 1-2min. I need my porn once in a while

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And the quality sucked so badly too. You'd wait forever for some crappy, pixelated image.

Originally posted by Taissa
As a woman, I can say that pornography is very degrading for women. As someone noted, it is "filmed prostitution". It does not honor women and it does not treat women as sacred. I remember being a 12 year old little girl, finding my father's porn magazines in the garage while looking for an air pump to fix my bike tire. I remember seeing my dad in a whole different light after this, and I can tell you I lost a lot of respect for him. I felt "icked out" by him. I do believe that this was the beginning of losing my trust in my dad. I often wondered, why did he have to look at it, when my mom was there. Why did he find that interesting. It grossed me out.

When I turned 14, I told my mom about those magazines in the garage and she said "not to touch them". And I said, "Mom, doesn't it bother you???" and she got tears in her eyes and said that it did, but that it was "your dad's business".

When I turned 18, and in the middle of an argument with my dad, I told him about how offensive it was to me to grow up with these things hidden in our garage. At first he was angry that I brought it up, but then he felt ashamed and agreed that it was wrong. He apologized and got rid of them.

I don't know if he checks out porn online, but I'm sure he does. It bothers me you know, cause that's supposed to be my dad, who should respect women.

Take my experiences and feelings for what you will, but that's how I feel. My boyfriend knows full well how I feel about porn, and he does not use our computer for it nor does he keep magazines around. If he has them, they are not in here and that's OK. I just don't want that crap under my roof. He respects that.

Interesting how this thread pops up because my boyfriend was telling me the other day how he often looked at it when he was young and that when we had kids there was no way it would be in the house or on our computer. He said he wants to be an example for our kids.

I will take YOUR feelings for exactly what they are... YOUR feelings, not mine... not Joe Blogs, not John Doe... YOURS....

So tell me again who YOU are to dictate what happens in my life?

(Nothing personal, just making an example of YOUR type of thinking)

Originally posted by Taissa
If anything, this thread has shown me people who have little respect for women and how we feel. They will say whatever they can to make excuses for their pornography. Most women hate it and find it disgusting. I've watched many documentaries about women who worked as sex workers and in porn and they hated it as well. men have a fantasy that the women in these videos or photos are enjoying what they do, but that's not true.

Oh and do count me as another person who would be happy for a porn ban. I'd jump for joy actually. In fact, that is one movement I'd be thrilled to support.

Actually I would say women in the west get too much respect. If you think its bad in the good ole USA then you should take a trip to the middle or far east. Women treated as sex slaves, work slaves, made to dress up with robes and cover their faces, cannot work in many job sectors, etc.

In the west women are actually more powerful than men. They dress provocatively, they chase men, they dominate men in the decision making process, are independant, etc. The only time men realise their place is during sex, and for many women that offends them. Tough!

While I understand the emotional volitility of this subject, the bigger picture is being missed entirely because people's emotions are preventing them from viewing this new attack on freedom objectively.

This quote by Cameron should be sufficient to make anyone's spider sense go off, whether they are opposed to porn or not:

Speaking on the BBC’s Jeremy Vine programme, Mr Cameron said what would be included in the filters would evolve over time. “The companies themselves are going to design what is automatically blocked, but the assumption is they will start with blocking pornographic sites and also perhaps self-harming sites,” he said.

Link to entire article

If this statement doesn't start any warning bells ringing then nothing will.

Originally posted by alysha.angel


As a parent of teenage girls , i strongly approve of this and believe its needed ..

Iv heard of young men and women being currupted and sexually twisted due to porn and its not really a need ,

i hope someday the rest of the world does the same thing . its degrading to the actors and its not much better then prostiution

www.bbc.co.uk
(visit the link for the full news article)

I think this measure is a step in the right direction, but more is needed.
I've said it once and I'll say it again:
Porn now a days has gone way beyond sexy, humanistic fantasy into dark opportunistic mayhem.

There are many people who will say thats crazy porn is harmless. That it effects nothing . Do you really think that porn does not have anything to do with stuff like this:
Teen Prostitute Brutally Raped and Thrown From Building

The teen agreed to meet the man at his Brooklyn Apartment that he shared with his wife and 2 children. Once there Desouza led the girl to the building rooftop where friend, Antonio Owensford, was waiting to join the two sexually.

The problem came when Desouza announced that he didn't want to wear a condom to the ire of the victim. The teen argued with the two and decided to turn down the potential business. At that moment the two men viciously raped the girl and threw her off the side of the 3 story building.

Okay 2 main things here:
A. Why do you think male-sided threesomes are so popular? Could it be the abundance of group-style sex in pornography?

B. He didn't want to wear a condom with a prostitute. Why do you think that is? Does anyone ever wear condoms in porn? No.

Originally posted by Taissa
As a woman, I can say that pornography is very degrading for women. As someone noted, it is "filmed prostitution".

You have a very moralistic and ignorant view of a business you clearly know nothing about.

You think women in porn are only in front of the cameras? I can tell you as a fact, from my own personal experience, there are women running these businesses, there are women writing the content, there are women filming it, doing make up, wardrobe, set design, legal, publishing, editing, graphics...

You have a "typical" outsider attitude seen from "feminists" who know absolutely nothing about the business they are so "offended" by. There are thousands of women making millions of $'s in the business, and your notion of it being run entirely by men, for men, is complete and utter BS.

Please, rather than pretending you know what the adult industry is about, educate yourself a little and look into it. Stop reading the opinions of other equally ignorant outsiders and actually look into this yourself.

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As with anything, people will get addicted to it, and it will create problems for some people. The average person knows when to stop, what's real, and what isn't.

But why stop with porn? The fashion industry objectifies women by designing skimpy clothes to wear, and they might get raped in them. Why not decide what we can and can't wear too?

The food industry causes people to get addiced to food, become fat, and causes health problems. Why not throw food in too?

People get addicted to prescription medication, so why not get rid of that too? They commit crimes to try to get a fix, so it's dangerous.

You know, I remember a day when something called personal responsibility existed. Now it's "Oh, I watched a pornographic movie, and that made me do it." Or anything else that can be blamed, instead of saying "it was my fault, and I'm sorry."

Seriously lolin at all the naive people here that are down with internet censorship, because it targets a "bad thing". Make no mistake, this is what this is. This scheme is set-up so you either comply or have to own up to random government assholes about your legal but stigmatized habits. If this was opt-in instead of opt-out, it would only be a case of hilariously awful government overreach into private affairs. As it stands now, it is soft tyranny with am illusion of choice.(Also, it will probably not work out so well, but that is another topic. The pirates always win, information wants to be free, so forth.)

You guys do know that they will next go after political "hate-speech" (probably start with worthless trash sites like stormfront or GLP) and then, literally the next target, will be "conspiracy mongers" (like, oh I don't know, ATS!), all for the good of the children?

Gee golly, it is almost like the price of freedom of expression is that people will express things that you don't like.

But hey, making sure your kid doesn't know that humans reproduce sexually is worth the destruction of the greatest tool of human liberation, right?

Just goes to show you that social conservatives aren't really down with the freedom/liberty cause. Think this is a good idea? You aren't an ally of human liberation and dignity. You sure as hell aren't my ally. GO AWAY!

If you are offended, go run to your precious nanny state and tell them that they need to stop those mean people at ATS. I'm sure they will get to us soon, but you might get a cookie or something for your loyalty.

Originally posted by mOjOm
While I understand the emotional volitility of this subject, the bigger picture is being missed entirely because people's emotions are preventing them from viewing this new attack on freedom objectively.

This quote by Cameron should be sufficient to make anyone's spider sense go off, whether they are opposed to porn or not:

Speaking on the BBC’s Jeremy Vine programme, Mr Cameron said what would be included in the filters would evolve over time. “The companies themselves are going to design what is automatically blocked, but the assumption is they will start with blocking pornographic sites and also perhaps self-harming sites,” he said.

Link to entire article

If this statement doesn't start any warning bells ringing then nothing will.

Attack on freedom?
Some people hang onto ideologies so blindly.

Don't get me wrong I believe very much in being able to do what you want to do. However there HAS to be limits.
There was a wonderful part of The Duchess that, at the time, I thought was very clever. But now I think how silly.

The Duchess : I fail to fully comprehend how far we, the Whig Party, that is, are fully committed to the concept of freedom.
Mr. Fox : We intend to extend the vote.
The Duchess : To all men?
Mr. Fox : Heavens, no. But certainly to more men. Freedom in moderation.
The Duchess : "Freedom in moderation"?
Mr. Fox : Precisely.
The Duchess: I'm sure you are full of the best intentions, Mr. Fox, but I dare say I would not spend my vote, if I had it, of course, on so vague a statement. One is either free or one is not. The concept of freedom is an absolute. After all, one cannot be moderately dead or moderately loved or moderately free. It must always remain a matter of either or.

Yes I thought that last part was not only clever dialog on behalf of the writer, but a brilliant political statement that reflects the ideal values of a free society.

However with age comes wisdom. Humanity needs to impose limits. We can't keep moving in this direction. Anyone who says those depraved individuals in California are improving American life needs to kill themselves.

Is Ghetto Gaggers really improving anyone's life? Really?

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So you're ok with them starting with porn, and then moving on to other topics, "for our own good". Whatever they decide is to "protect our children" is ok with you. Let's impose limits on what we can read so people don't get bad ideas then. Or on what we can watch on tv. That's what they're setting up here. Cameron even said they most likely would "start with" pornography. Which means there will be more coming.

reply to post by iamusic

There are many people who will say thats crazy porn is harmless. That it effects nothing . Do you really think that porn does not have anything to do with stuff like this:
Teen Prostitute Brutally Raped and Thrown From Building

I have no idea if it did or not.

For the sake of argument lets say it did. Lets say that perpetrates of this crime said they wanted to take part in the type of group sex fantasy as portrayed on the internet. Does such a revelation lend credence to the idea that such pornographic imagery should be banned? Despite the people in the imagery being consenting adults?

A. Why do you think male-sided threesomes are so popular? Could it be the abundance of group-style sex in pornography?

No, in fact such acts were popular long before published pornographic material. That is why it so abundant in modern pornography, because pornographers recognized the abundance of the fetish.

B. He didn't want to wear a condom with a prostitute. Why do you think that is? Does anyone ever wear condoms in porn? No.

Well some do, but you are right for the most part. That being said an individual who does not want to wear a condom when sleeping with a prostitute is just stupid. The use (or better yet the lack their of) of sexual protection is not do to pornography but a plethora of reasons.

This whole conversation is quite interesting to me. It seems to me that sexuality (specifically sexual behavior that is beyond the missionary position) will always be demonized by some group for some reason be It religious fundamentalists, radical feminists, or radical leftists. If this is all about "the children" then the parents should be the ones with the responsibility, not the state.

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Some people hang onto ideologies so blindly.

All ideologies are followed blindly, they are fantasies we try desperately to fit in reality. Do you not consider your moral position to be an ideology?

Is Ghetto Gaggers really improving anyone's life? Really?

edit on 23-7-2013 by iamusic because: (no reason given)

The people who starred in it and who were getting paid for it? The people working in the studio and getting paid for it? The sound-engineer being paid for it? The casting director? etc etc...

Not to mention the fact that the girls in the film might actually enjoy it? Ever thought of that concept?

No... You don't like it... you're the only one that matters...

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Sure some things should be regulated like guns, knifes, pollution, hate speech, etc.

But who the hell trusts politicians whom cater to vocal groups for votes and money, while turning a blind eye to real problems?

Interestingly enough I cant believe the british population allowed one or two mass shootings to deprive them of at least 80% of gun types allowed. If that aint overkill then nothing is.

There is no common sense in the world. I learned that a long time ago. Some people don't want it!

Better to error on the side of too much freedom than to error on the side of too much control. My humble opinion of course.

Originally posted by Zaphod58
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So you're ok with them starting with porn, and then moving on to other topics, "for our own good". Whatever they decide is to "protect our children" is ok with you. Let's impose limits on what we can read so people don't get bad ideas then. Or on what we can watch on tv. That's what they're setting up here. Cameron even said they most likely would "start with" pornography. Which means there will be more coming.

No. I don't think that they should censor everything. I guess where I was coming from with that comment is that complete and total freedom is not the best in every case.

Should we have complete and total freedom to kill or harm anyone we want to?
Should we have complete freedom to expose any kind of media?

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#5 Trutherman...in other posts you mention that you spend your time imagining the most grotesque images you can imagine~as a means to frighten off your thought police or tormentors. I realize this is an odd subject as there aren't too many affected by RNM (yet). But where do you gather these images from? Is it from nudes? From standard gore film stock as seen on TV? This strategy of yours seems borrowed from Captain Pike, in the pilot episode of Star Trek. I'm not certain that Roddenberry was giving good advice with this 'hate/gore' etc. tactic. I think he was pressed to meet a deadline and used the method you proscribe as a crutch. I am guessing that Gene was an atheist. To rely on 'God', a supreme power, would have run contrary to his smash hit series. I can hear the sounds of The USS Enterprise in the background of some of your videos.

I bring this up because the images must come from somewhere, yes? Do you ever consider that doing this...imaging ugliness...may have unintended side effects? I'm thinking that the boundaries between beauty and violence and gore have been crossed, if only in your mind. Yes, it's probably best that you avoid looking at nudity.

Just wait for the signal to stop coursing through your PC wiring. And then, do not pick up the phone to opt in, no matter what they tell you. Then they will know you are getting better; that you are escaping their grasp or what have you.

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No one is advocating we get rid of all laws. But since when is it the government's position to dictate what we can and can't watch? Why should I have to sign up for a list because parents can't put filters on their computer, and want the government to raise their children for them?

It is an interesting sociological conversation, porn that is. As a guy who became 'self'-aware of the pleasure of 'Madame palm and her five daughters' via flicking through the pages of a lingerie catalogue at puberty to a thirty-something that uses porn now accessed through Apples’s paradigm devices, how you have sex has become a measure of your ego – male and female. Porn on every level has permeated our everyday lives – whether through advertising or direct titillation. How we move forward is the question. Sex education fifty years ago was none-existent and to some degree the attitude towards sex then was more judgemental and detrimental and far from healthy. Now we have everything at the click of an Internet button, but what should the education be? It is more than a conversation about the 'birds and the bees' and one that needs to be sculpted around a 21st-century life where porn plays a fundamental role.

Side note: not interested in the religious aspect here as we are all fully aware of the Churches’s attitude towards sex – contraception and pedophilia to name two insanities of attitude and practice rife amongst world religions.

reply to post by iamusic

Should we have complete and total freedom to kill or harm anyone we want to?

No, and if you have to ask that question then I have to question you ability to weigh things rationally.

Should we have complete freedom to expose any kind of media?

Yes

You also have freedom the freedom to view any type of media you wish.