posted on Nov, 16 2004 @ 09:06 AM
Originally posted by Seapeople
Then you are saying that time is one of two things. A spacial dimension, or a man made reference system.
Even if God were to live outside of our time, seeing all things as they happened...all at once.....there is still a problem. There are a lot of
contradictions in this statement, but I will explain the most significant as it pertains to this. God would have to exist in an infinite state. Here
forever before, here forever after type thing. Time wouldn't exist in this state....and everything would theoretically be simultaneous.
Unfortuneately, there was a definite "time" referred to in the creation story. He created earth....at a point in time. Lets look one step deeper.
HE CREATED! If he created, and he knows all, even in his infinite existence, then he knew all about us.......when he created us. It still applies.
He created something, and in that instant knew all that was too come. He knows all, and there was a time when there was no universe as we know
it...because the BIBLE SAYS HE CREATED. So he made us, all the while knowing us, and knowing our decisions. Thus making them null and void in the
end....that is unless you want to believe he knowingly and willingly sent a good portion of us straight to hell. Without any help from us.
First off, time is neither a spacial dimmension nor is it a man made construct. The only thing man-made about time is our particular system of
measurement of it. Humans only created the label for time, not time itself.
As for the "everything being simultaneous" part; the only thing that is simultaneous is the events occuring in this universe when viewed from God's
perspective. This says nothing about other Universes or other planes of existance.
In regards to creation, he created this Universe in what we would call a certain point in time. I am speaking theoretically in this next sentence.
He could have created our Universe and then the rest of what we call time followed it in his creation.
Did he really create us? I will not argue that he created human bodies. I will argue that he did not create souls. I believe that souls can neither
be created (even by god) nor destroyed. To give an example, look at cloning. Humans create the body of the new lifeform but he does not give it
life. If the body is capable of living it does so. If it is not, it doesn't. Similarly, if the body God creates is able to live, it does so. If
it doesn't, it won't. I do not believe that God places a soul in a body. I believe that souls do this on their own.
This means that, in theory, God did not create souls, and therefore does not know everything about us. He only knows what we think and do (which he
sees all at once).
He did create this Universe. But the word Universe does not mean Earth. A universe is composed of many galaxies which are composed of many star
systems which are composed of many planets. Try seeing it this way for a second: You are writing a computer program to simulate existance (like the
Sims but for an entire Universe). If you could write a flawless program on the first try without having to do test runs then when you click "run"
the program would run until it causes itself to end. Theoretically, this could be something like what God did (but much more impressive when he did
This theory has no known holes in it if you are able to think in a way that is nearly neutral to all previous theories of creation.