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NY food stamp recipients are shipping welfare-funded groceries to relatives in Jamaica, Dominican Re

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posted on Jul, 22 2013 @ 06:22 PM
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Yeah right. People on welfare with IPhones, what a bunch of crap. Pics or it didn't happen. It is just more of the right wing propaganda machine. You never saw anything. You got that garbage in your inbox. ADMIT IT!!!!!




posted on Jul, 22 2013 @ 06:28 PM
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Originally posted by TheMagus

Originally posted by Kali74
Once it is their money, it's none of your business. If they choose to eat less so they can send their family that barely eats at all, food... it's none of your business.



Originally posted by jude11

A decision to feed family is a no-brainer.

Peace

quoted 4 truth [and both posts should have more stars ]

funny how the tax slaves keep on insisting that it's "their money".
after they've handed it over to the gangsters for "Protection" *COUGH* I mean, paid their taxes.

to the grasping "my money" crowd :
Don't like it?
grow a pair and STOP paying taxes then.

simples.

of course, when these "folk" speak of freedom it's freedom to oppress and exploit those beneath them


the real tragedy is Americans have no idea where money comes from..

the Government approves a budget. creates an IOU & gives it to the FED. the FED prints up the money and/or credits FDIC members bank accounts & charges interest.

so why would the government need any money/tax at all if they can create the money needed to run the government? they dont. you need to pay back the quasi-private federal reserve bank AND the interest which was not created, therefore get the "cash" from some other debt/person/exchange for real work/time done.

taxation is theft. debt based money is theft.

Lincoln greenbacks.
JFK greenbacks.

two Presidents who tried to escape the money scam & were murdered.

that being said.

fraud is fraud.

and if someone is claiming to need assistance & they do not but are shipping goods offshore..

thats fraud.

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posted on Jul, 22 2013 @ 06:36 PM
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Originally posted by jude11
While I see your point that it's fraud, I have to see the other side as well.

People in Haiti are much more in need in many cases. I have to say that if I were in their shoes and found a way to feed my family like this I would do it.

A decision to feed family is a no-brainer.

Peace


Granted I understand the need to feed family BUT, it's a slippery slope.. when does this become Socialism ?

I can see this both ways. No matter how you obtain your food if you have surplus each month, why not send it to your family who is in greater need?

Is there actually a law against mailing this food out of the country?

If they stopped this now, would that cause innocent people to die - who's hands will this blood be on?



posted on Jul, 22 2013 @ 06:38 PM
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Originally posted by Lil Drummerboy
Wow,
I soo wish the program for food stamps and welfare would end..
STOP FEEDING THE USELESS


Someday in the near future someone will deem you worthless. Or has that already happened?

Have a cracker on me.

Jude11



posted on Jul, 22 2013 @ 07:13 PM
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Originally posted by jude11

Originally posted by Lil Drummerboy
Wow,
I soo wish the program for food stamps and welfare would end..
STOP FEEDING THE USELESS


Someday in the near future someone will deem you worthless. Or has that already happened?

Have a cracker on me.

Jude11


Already happened anyone who doesn't support the nanny state has been deemed worthless, but our money hasn't.



posted on Jul, 22 2013 @ 07:23 PM
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posted on Jul, 22 2013 @ 08:37 PM
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This is a prime example of how a few bad apples can ruin a program for everyone, but when i say a few bad apples I mean a million + bad apples... I say get rid of welfare and all other social programs like that... Time for natural selection to do its job...
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posted on Jul, 22 2013 @ 08:46 PM
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I was on food stamps for about a year. I can tell you it really did help my son and myself. But I pulled together, got a decent paying job and got OFF them.

The problem is, these people (yes.. I said that).. are perfectly happy making minimum wage, and having more money supplemented by the government. I can tell you that when I was on food stamps I was getting $350 a month. To me that seemed like a lot. I didn't ask for that much.. they just gave it to me. A single father with one son. I can't imagine how much these people are getting. And you get it for a long time too! Welfare, not so much. You can only get like 6 years TOTAL forever (in NY at least). But food stamps... you just have to re-certify every 6 months and your food money just shows up every week.

I guess really, what they do with the money is whatever really. What does it matter if its going to feed them, or feed a relative of theirs in some other country? It still ends up the same amount of money being financed by others.

I appreciate very much that I was able to get help on food stamps. But I guess that is where I differ here. I never expected nor wanted to stay on it forever. To some however, it is just free money.

You can't please everyone though...



posted on Jul, 22 2013 @ 08:48 PM
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natural selection is animalistic, and although your body is mammalian, your intellect is not. there is no reason, when you have been taught to see the light of reason, compassion and civilization, to neglect those less fortunate based on the law of the jungle. you are not a beast. you're a human being.



posted on Jul, 22 2013 @ 08:53 PM
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Originally posted by undo
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natural selection is animalistic, and although your body is mammalian, your intellect is not. there is no reason, when you have been taught to see the light of reason, compassion and civilization, to neglect those less fortunate based on the law of the jungle. you are not a beast. you're a human being.


So I should be compassionate to those who are irresponsible?? Those who are likely having unprotected sex, having children when they cant support themselves... Those who refuse to make a better life for themselves, but grow comfortable just taking from the taxpayers of this country... I'm sorry and I get it that there are good people out there who are just down on their luck, for those, I will feel happy to help, but for all the leeches that are bleeding this country dry I feel zero sympathy for... And lastly, the world cant sustain everyone living long happy lives, just not enough resources out there and overpopulation is a real problem we will be facing soon enough and thats why i write natural selection or survival of the fittest
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posted on Jul, 22 2013 @ 09:01 PM
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As others have said, if they truly needed that money, then they wouldn't be using it to feed people in other countries. Our welfare program was intended for Americans, not Africans, Europeans, or anyone else. It's definitely abuse (albeit some good-natured abuse) of the system and needs to be addressed by our elected officials.



posted on Jul, 22 2013 @ 09:02 PM
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yes you should and that because it is not their fault. it's the fault of the government, who is artificially and detrimentally effecting an entire sector of the population, for the purpose of using them to their own ends. let me give you an analogy:

your neighbor's child is taught that the corn in your field is okay to steal. who do you blame, the neighbor or the child? the government has made itself into the parents of the sector of the populace you are referring to and they are saying it's okay to take the corn in your field, in fact, they've made it legal to take your corn. and since the alternative would be that the gov would have to let them starve to death otherwise, i do believe that decision is the most humane, albeit the most unproductive approach.



posted on Jul, 22 2013 @ 09:11 PM
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I appreciate the analogy, but I don't feel the same way that you do. Once you're an adult, its up to you to make your own life. I grew up in borderline poverty where my parents lost our family home when I was in HS and I had to live through that,. I experienced family struggles and it didn't make me bitter towards the world, it motivated me, it pushed me to never have that happen to me. So, I paid my way through college, graduated with a 3.979 and got a job where I worked my a** off at. Its not impossible, many others are capable of doing just that.....Just because you're dealt a sh*tty hand, doesn't mean you can't make a great life for yourself.



posted on Jul, 22 2013 @ 09:14 PM
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Originally posted by jhn7537
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I appreciate the analogy, but I don't feel the same way that you do. Once you're an adult, its up to you to make your own life. I grew up in borderline poverty where my parents lost our family home when I was in HS and I had to live through that,. I experienced family struggles and it didn't make me bitter towards the world, it motivated me, it pushed me to never have that happen to me. So, I paid my way through college, graduated with a 3.979 and got a job where I worked my a** off at. Its not impossible, many others are capable of doing just that.....Just because you're dealt a sh*tty hand, doesn't mean you can't make a great life for yourself.


true but if you've not noticed you are not everybody else. each person has their own trials and tribulations. i'm concerned that as people lose their love and compassion for each other, that our nation will begin to resemble some african nations where people are starving to death enmasse. we can't let that happen here. it's not acceptable.



posted on Jul, 22 2013 @ 09:16 PM
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I'm happy to help those who are trying to better themselves. Those who are looking for work, those who are trying to go back to school, etc. But I can't feel for those who actively try to cheat the system, essentially stealing from the hard working people of this world...



posted on Jul, 22 2013 @ 09:21 PM
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Originally posted by jhn7537
reply to post by undo
 


I'm happy to help those who are trying to better themselves. Those who are looking for work, those who are trying to go back to school, etc. But I can't feel for those who actively try to cheat the system, essentially stealing from the hard working people of this world...


it's the nature of social welfare that some will abuse it. and i don't think sending your excess to someone who needs it, is the kind of abuse you should be concerned with. there's a happy medium here that we need to rediscover, because one extreme or the other will only result in suffering and misery, of a magnitude humans should not inflict on each other.



posted on Jul, 22 2013 @ 09:48 PM
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Wait a moment, isn't food stamps and welfare to help those that can not help themselves and their families?

Then obviously that those bad apples that are sending the tax payer dollars to feed families in their countries do not need any food stamps and welfare because if they do not need it to feed their own families here in the US.

Plain and simple, get them off my tax payer money, hell what is wrong with this nation
immigrants.



posted on Jul, 22 2013 @ 09:52 PM
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Originally posted by marg6043
Wait a moment, isn't food stamps and welfare to help those that can not help themselves and their families?

Then obviously that those bad apples that are sending the tax payer dollars to feed families in their countries do not need any food stamps and welfare because if they do not need it to feed their own families here in the US.

Plain and simple, get them off my tax payer money, hell what is wrong with this nation
immigrants.


this is the problem:

there are people who legitimately need the help for any number of reasons. the system is also designed to allot monies based on the necessity for the same. the moment it appears less is needed, less is alloted and people who earnestly need it fall thru the cracks. now that money is going to go somewhere else you are not going to approve of anyway, so letting it benefit people who need it, is not a bad thing. i mean, if they don't allot it for the poor, it will be alloted for paying some other thing like world domination.
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posted on Jul, 22 2013 @ 10:04 PM
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if anything we should demand they give more to the poor. in fact, we should be screaming from the rooftops that they spend alot less on world domination and alot more on social welfare. think about it. if both sides are demanding it, things will get really interesting. we should demand that they not only provide better welfare for the poor but better infrastructure so the poor don't die while crossing broken bridges that are suffering due to lack of focus on our roads and byways. and etc.

call their bluffs. force them to prove they actually care about the poor and needy and are not just using them like cannon fodder.


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posted on Jul, 22 2013 @ 10:10 PM
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If we keep giving more and more to those on welfare, then what incentive will they have to better their own lives? Cause its obvious that self-pride isn't one in many cases...



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