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I think the upswing in PTSD and suicides is due mostly to people who have no business being in the military signing up for all the wrong reasons. Whether it is for a steady job, college tuition or a misguided sense of patriotic duty. Either way, I have noticed a decline in the quality of personnel in the Armed forces.
I like to claim that I never had PTSD but looking at my actions post-deployment I could make the argument now that I did. I was fortunate to have only been on the ground in Iraq for several months. I can only image the feelings some of these kids today have after 2, 3, 4, 5 extended deployments. That’s hard to wrap my head around...
A person's temperament has a lot to do with their ability to 'navigate' the military world - my husband is VERY bright, intelligent, chivalrous (nearly to a fault), and all about honor and so forth and so on. He was 'offered' a spot in the Army Rangers, during his initial enlistment, (he was a sharp shooter/sniper), but he thought it over, and KNEW it would RUIN his chances at having a normal, peaceful life with a family of his own. I'm VERY GLAD he did not take that opportunity - he would BE PART of the JSOC covert teams now if he had. He had no kills, has never been shot at, or shot at anyone - and STILL has a hard time.
I agree with the "lower standards" now - they'll take just about ANYBODY. And screw every one of them up.
As I stated before, we shouldn't look down on those who serve their country. Our anger should be laser focused on those in DC who abuse their power by using the military for their own purposes. We are all to blame for the way things are. It is our complacency and lack of engagement that got us here. I won’t be part of a ‘bash the military’ festival, so if that’s what you’re doing I must make my departure.
No, that's not what I'm doing. I see the soldiers as 'victims' of the system that recruits them....
I DO support the actual troops on the ground – I don't 'look down' on THEM - I look down on the governments (plural) that send them to war.
I hope you understand that.
I'm not "bashing the military" - I am well aware of the freedoms we have (or had?) due to people willing to fight for them.
The troops on the ground - ESPECIALLY the Joint Special Operations Command forces are killers - are rabid beasts ordered about by morally corrupted, evil, scheming monsters - and THEY should be in Gitmo. THEY should be receiving the 'enhanced interrogation techniques' as WAR CRIMINALS - not to get info from them - TO GIVE INFO TO THEM of their wrongdoing.
Then they should stop attacking Americans and American interests here and abroad. Terrorism isn’t a victimless crime.
It's just that to me it seems very obvious that the Muslim world DOES NOT WANT WESTERN INFLUENCE –
The ME has been in a constant state of war for hundreds of years…long before they began to hate America and the West. Many people in Iraq want freedom and security. I find it hard to believe that anyone would be opposed to freedom and security. However, I agree that it shouldn’t be America’s job to give it to them. If they want it bad enough then they will rise up and take it for themselves.
so, like the countries that the Amazon jungle 'contain', when they finally realized, and respected, the fact that the native tribes living there DO NOT WANT to be part of Western culture, they finally decided to leave them alone, let them live how they WANT to live, and butt OUT of their affairs.
Thanks…we all have an opinion.
This is what I think needs to happen, my friend.
I'm sorry if you've misunderstood my intentions. The soldiers enlist when they are young - and as others and you have pointed out, for various reasons.
I appreciate your input here, whether you decide to leave or stay. It's an important subject.
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by wildtimes
As a veteran I'm not happy with this member's choice to quit and leave his squad members and friends a man short. I support his particular feelings and his right to ha e them, but have the intestinal fortitude and self-respect to keep one's word and honor the enlistment they agreed upon. I feel when someone commits to do something they should keep their word and honor their responsibilities.
I guess he is entitled to do so. I don't agree with that, obviously, but that's his prerogative. That's a douche bag move IMO.
Edit: Looking at the article though it appears he is encouraging active duty soldiers to do the same thing.
Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by NOTurTypical
I hear you! I have no respect for deserters either.
There is nothing dignified about being a deserter. We all knew what we were signing up for. At least finish your obligation before you leave.
Originally posted by wildtimes
As for "vast numbers", 22 veterans kill themselves every day, as guesstimated. That's a lot. The totals are MORE than the casualties of active-duty soldiers. Doesn't make sense. War does NOT make sense. But that's my female point of view.
Originally posted by cavtrooper7
Here is the problem, if we didn't do it others would be drafted(notice please the recent interest in women in combat roles?) if they didn't show up there is martial law.
War is a soldiers problem to fight.It's cause is YOURS to fix, by electing leaders who more reflect your wishes.
Wars will still need to be fought regardless,no doubt ,because of what some idiots have ALREADY done and they want payback ON YOU. I will not let them do it.