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In 1964, Kardashev defined three levels of civilizations, based on the order of magnitude of the amount of power available to them:
Type I "Technological level close to the level presently (here referring to 1964) attained on earth, with energy consumption at ≈4×1019 erg/sec (4 × 1012 watts.) Guillermo A. Lemarchand stated this as "A level near contemporary terrestrial civilization with an energy capability equivalent to the solar insolation on Earth, between 1016 and 10 17 watts."
Type II "A civilization capable of harnessing the energy radiated by its own star (for example, the stage of successful construction of a Dyson sphere), with energy consumption at ≈4×1033 erg/sec. Lemarchand stated this as "A civilization capable of utilizing and channeling the entire radiation output of its star. The energy utilization would then be comparable to the luminosity of our Sun, about 4 × 1026 watts."
Type III "A civilization in possession of energy on the scale of its own galaxy, with energy consumption at ≈4×1044 erg/sec." Lemarchand stated this as "A civilization with access to the power comparable to the luminosity of the entire Milky Way galaxy, about 4 × 1037 Watts."
We want a healthy forest ecology, so, we maintain a minimal control approach, and don't expend much money or resources in doing so since letting nature do and be on its own in the end is the best policy. Often enough, when it comes to nature, letting nature do what it does and leaving well enough alone, even if and when human lives are endangered is the best course. There's 8 BILLION humans on the planet. We can stand to let those who want to live in a forest fire zone to live and or die with the risks of doing so.
Originally posted by AlienView
reply to post by Druscilla
Of course if humans were to take that line which does make sense, why don't we extend the nature is best
line of thought and get rid of medicine, makes us weak, survival of the fittest is the natural way to go; And while
were at it those cars just pollute the atmosphere and also make us weak, horses and donkeys are more
natural; and things like electricity and indoor plumbing, very unnatural and we should get rid of that too? I do some times admire cultures like the Amish who reject all those modern inventions like electricity and still travel on horse carts........But getting back to forest fires if w'ere going to go all natural why stop them at all - the firefighters are battling nature - Are you trying to say fire is natural and fighting fires is unnatural? But don't mind me, I sometimes don't understand human thinking thats why I call myself - AlienView
FRESNO, Calif. — An out-of-control forest fire threatening about 2,500 structures near Yosemite National Park was one of more than 50 active, large wildfires dotting the western U.S. on Wednesday. The remote blaze in Stanislaus National Forest west of Yosemite grew to more than 25 square miles and was only 5 percent contained, threatening homes, hotels and camp buildings. The fire has led to the voluntary evacuation of the private gated summer community of Pine Mountain Lake, which has a population of 2,800, as well as several organized camps, at least two campgrounds and dozens of other private homes. Two residences and seven outbuildings have been destroyed.
The resolution said the fire was "directly threatening various communities and businesses" and "beyond our capabilities," according to the Modesto Bee. The fire was among the nation's top firefighting priorities, according to the National Interagency Fire Center in Boise, Idaho. Fifty-one major uncontained wildfires are burning throughout the West, according to the center, including in California, Alaska, Arizona, Idaho, Montana, Nevada, Oregon, Utah, Washington and Wyoming. More than 19,000 firefighters were fighting the fires. But the U.S. Forest Service, the nation's top wildfire-fighting agency, said Wednesday that it is running out of money to fight wildfires and is diverting $600 million from timber, recreation and other areas to fill the gap. The agency said it had spent $967 million so far this year and was down to $50 million – typically enough to pay for just a few days of fighting fires when the nation is at its top wildfire preparedness level, which went into effect Tuesday. There have been more than 32,000 fires this year that have burned more than 5,300 square miles.
I would think the species man can do better than except that paradigm ...
... And to many Man is not a natural occurence and can no longer except being subject
Gusting winds and “tinder-dry” conditions were feeding the beast of a blaze in western Canada early Friday, as officials warned it could be days or weeks before evacuated locals can return home. The fires in the province of Alberta forced 88,000 people to flee and destroyed more than 1,600 structures. Officials were waiting to see if it would be safe to get another convoy of evacuees out on Friday, according to local media. Around 328 square miles have been scorched. Alberta Premier Rachel Notley praised the “herculean” firefighter response but warned late Thursday that the inferno could spread due to “tinder dry” conditions. “They are very early days,” she told a press conference. “There is much more to do and more help will be needed.”
originally posted by: AlienView
The failure of Man to control and conquer his environment is reflective of a species that can not evolve to its potential.
originally posted by: AlienView
You watch the news, you see the forests going up in smoke, thousands of fireman risking their lives and millions of dollars spent; And then after a week or two and thousands and thousands of acres of forest up in smoke they let
local residents return to their homes - if they still have a home left - too often they don't.
And as it is going on you see one, sometimes two or so planes with fire-retardant spraying the forest to help control
the fire; And you ask [at least I do], if these planes are actually capable of controlling forest fires how come they do
not have a large force, say a hundred or even a thousand of these planes at specially built regional airports around
the country and the moment a forest fire begins the well trained force of air fire control pilots go out and in a pre-
planned attack kill the fire fast before it spreads - My alien imagination asks aren't you humans capable of
stopping a simple forest fire? - Can you at least graduate to a 'Stage One Civilization' and control your own environment?
New research is revealing how plant seeds depend on smoke and even heat from fires to get them to sprout. It's a smart strategy for the seed, of course: smoke comes from fires, and fires mean that the soil is probably fertile with new ash. Plus, if weeds and grass have been burned to the ground, a new seed will have little competition.
Let them burn, folks. Extinguishing forest fires is a bad strategy for preventing them. If you keep putting out the fires, they'll just get bigger when they do burn through. And while trees can easily survive a typical fire, if the underbrush has built up for too long (thanks to humans putting out all the fires), when it lights up, it will kill all the trees and devastate the forest.
Forest fires help in the natural cycle of woods' growth and replenishment. They:
-Release seeds or otherwise encourage the growth of certain tree species, like lodgepole pines
-Clear dead trees, leaves, and competing vegetation from the forest floor, so new plants can grow
-Break down and return nutrients to the soil
-Remove weak or disease-ridden trees, leaving more space and nutrients for stronger trees
-Keep tree stands thin and open, letting more sunlight in so trees stay healthier
-Improve wildlife habitat
But when fires burn too hot or when they’re in the “wildland-urban interface” (the places where woodlands and homes or other developed areas meet), they can be damaging and dangerous. Some possible effects of these fires are:
-Damaged or destroyed trees—when fires burn too intensely and reach tree crowns, they can hurt even strong, well--established trees
-Charred, damaged soils
-Floods or landslides in areas where the soil is most severely burned
-Damaged homes and other structures
-Smoke, which can irritate the eyes and respiratory system and worsen chronic heart and lung diseases, including asthma.
War propaganda doesn't typically have a long shelf life. Smokey Bear is an exception.
The United States Forest Service launched the Smokey Bear anti-forest fire campaign on Aug. 9, 1944, making Saturday the character's 70th birthday. While generations of Americans consider Smokey synonymous with forest protection, it was actually the start of America's involvement in World War II that inspired his birth.
The Forest Service and the federal government at large were also worried about Japanese forces starting forest fires on American soil, which they tried to do several times during the war.
originally posted by: AlienViewnot have a large force, say a hundred or even a thousand of these planes at specially built regional airports around