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Originally posted by LittleByLittle
Originally posted by dominicus
Yes, utilize Vanity to do whatever it takes at whatever cost to find out what the Absolute Truth is, to find out who you really are prior to the "program" that was forced upon you......when you find the original you, then vanity, "the program", and all illusion falls away, freeing you into something there are just no words for, but is the Truth
Close to what is but you cannot be sure you do not have a bit of previous "program" left.
To be the truth it has to be very unspecific so it can encompass all that you do not specifically know and have not quantified yet.
To know the truth is to know all that is and every view of what is.
I am limited in my knowledge and do not even know all about the body I occupy.
As for prayer as praise, this is the type of prayer I feel compelled to engage in. I feel such tremendous love and awe that I cannot hold in the enormous feeling of gratitude I have: for living, for existing, for enjoying, for learning, for the mysteries and wonders and simplicities that fill up my day to day life.
Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent.
So I tend to look at religious practice in terms of physical and psychological tools, rather than spiritual transcendance. I think it may have some real utlility in some cases.
Hi again LesMisanthrope,
Thank you for taking the time to go through my response. I would like to explain my thoughts.
Why did I liken church attendance to a concert? To discuss motive, I suppose. I believe that SOME people go to church because the entire experience makes them feel good. For them, vanity is not the issue.
It could be a church setting, a Coldplay concert, a group meditation...or a flash mob (lol). For some, the shared experience feels like a connection to others. It's not about what they're wearing, or who sees them there. It's personal...and makes them feel good inside.
Why do I politely ask for strength and ease of suffering? Do I think an individual is listening, or caring what I'm wearing...or performing a ritual? Well....I am polite out of respect to 'whoever' may possibly be able to pick up on my thoughts. What I'm wearing is never an issue, I often 'pray' in my pajamas...and there is no ritual, just intent.
I don't believe I am speaking to an individual. When I pray, I am basically speaking to the Universe. I don't know what/who is 'out there'. I don't know if anyone at all receives my message...but there is always that possibility.
I don't consider these to be acts of vanity, because there really is no end result. No closure.
I never know if I'm being heard, or helping anyone in any way. It is my small contribution of positive loving intent.
Originally posted by jacygirl
I have questions...Do thousands of people gather at a music concert to be seen?
Or do they attend to savour the experience...personally? Perhaps both?
Is the basis for their attendance vanity? I would say no.
Do people attend church to be seen? Or do they attend because they get something more personal out of the experience? Maybe both reasons are true, but the motivation is unique to each individual.
Originally posted by Miracula
Originally posted by LesMisanthrope
Alas, the perfect audience! They wish to have the chance to appear spiritual in front of others, to appear spiritual to themselves—pure vain spirituality
You know this reminds me of faith healers and the people who follow them.
I once recall Oral Roberts saying that God needed to collect 7 million dollars or God was going to bring him back home.
Now God is an extortionist. He's the neighborhood bully who threatens to beat you up for your lunch money.
Can't help but think that if there is a devil faith healers and people who teach others that God is engages in financial extortion that they have already signed up with the devil.