reply to post by Astrocyte
Why do you pretend that vanity and ego is eradicable?
It's not a belief, it's an experience I've had, continue to have longer periods of, and a reality I have directly experienced. You are not the ego.
You are the one that is aware of the ego doing "it's thing" within you.
If you spend some time in meditation, watching what "it" does, you will soon find that it has a location that it emerges out of, when the body wakes
up in the morning. And returns to this locations in deep dreamless sleep. If you fight tooth and nail to stay aware during the most subtlest moments
of the body entering into sleep, you will SEE FOR YOURSELF that what I say is true.
If you enter into the Source of thought, you remain in a place that is prior to all thinking ...like life itself. Everything that ever happens. Your
whole existence, is always prior to what ego thinks. There is a delay.
Spend enough time within the source of thought, and it begins to be spring cleaned and snuffed out ...from there all saying, doing, responding,
reacting becomes spontaneously done from intuition and heart.
Plus you can train yourself to mediate to stop thought, and be for longer periods of time, still, with out thinking, yet still being.......
"Don't trust me, see for yourself if it is true" is what someone once told me. I did, and found it to be so....took years though.
It is a basic aspect of who we are: we have millions of years of evolutionary development which installed in our psyche an indelible program of ego.
Ultimately, it's neutral. However, it is NOT who we really are. Ego is like having ears, or a nose, or a tongue ...it's just a tool, a sense.......
Yet it has hi-jacked the identity of the masses and it becomes a sick, twisted, out of control monstrocity....
Every disgusting thing we see on this planet, is because of Ego. Rape, murder, molestation, greed, unethical acts for the sake of profit, World Wars,
Pillage, Wife's getting beat, cheating, lying ....it's all the ego's own self justification based on the programing it has received from this
There is deeper level of acting, thinking, being ....and that's from the Intuition/soul/heart level......A place that is prior to Ego in each
The real question is, how can we sublimate it? How can we control it? How can we experience ourselves and others in a positive and constructive
Practice. There are literally hundreds of blueprints on sublimation and self mastery from cultures and times all over the world
Not everyone follows the same life trajectories or enjoy the same circumstances that makes someone more sincere in his or her spiritual beliefs. Some
people don't have the knowledge of how to educate themselves; they may work all the time and have little experience of conception of what it means to
be "internally" oriented. There are so many variables involved at all moments. What you should be doing - although I know you wont accept my
criticism - is to patiently try to understand why someone isn't acting as they're supposed to.
People don't act the way their supposed to because of Ignorance and an uninformed ego that lacks psychological maturity and spiritual experiences and
understanding. Doesn't matter, we're heading in that direction regardless. The Spiritual leap is the next leap in evolution and all the crap of the
world will be no more.
Also, to say that all communal worship is a recipe for "ego" is absurd.
Never said that. What I said is that in some Religions, which have at the heart of the matter "Ego Death" as their goal ...instead a new ego is
established with the parameters of that religion, and the whole point is missed. Happens a majority of the time. I fell for it for years as well
Frankly, If you want to "destroy" ego, as you seem to think is possible, go to Tibet, or to a cave in some sparsely inhabited forest, and never come
Why limit to just that. I read a Zen Koan, and 15 minutes later was separated from ego, watching its every move. Another time, a Buddhist sat next to
me and leaned over to me to whisper something, and his expanded consciousness lit me up like a candle, expanding mine as well, allowing me to see
where Ego comes from within. Or grace......just praying or mediating I've had me ego swallowed up and destroyed in plumes of infinite Love
So long as you partake in the human community, you wont be able to avoid it. What you can do, at most, is to yearn for sincerity when you worship. To
honestly offer good-will toward others. Simple things.
You can be egoless and in a community.....it's not all how you think it is. It's actually quite simple. Observe the observer, see the seer, know the
knower...spend time with that and all will reveal itself