Everything you believe about the history of the world is False

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CAN'T

Originally posted by VeritasAequitas
reply to post by auraelium

 

Yet you deliberately did not reply to the meat and sustenance of the point. Instead, you dismiss the books of people who were capable of astronomical feats to the extent of ourselves, and possibly even greater. They may be fairy tales to you, but the concept of the Earth experiencing "Yuga's" or Ages, not so dissimilar from our current four seasons, was a very hard rooted tenet of their beliefs and culture.

This is fact and science, as outlined by the Hindu's in their epics, which you have apparently sworn yourself to uphold. However, Mr. Scientist and Archaeologist, would you mind laying your credentials before us which authorizes you to determine what is factual and what is not? I don't believe I have seen it anywhere here...Just a lot of poor grammar skills, definitely not deserving of one who is to be so educated by the sciences.

The Cycle of Ages, or Yuga's, is a metaphorical aphorism for the illustration of Man's resemblance to the properties or symbolism of the four metals, during each age.

A discourse by Markandeya in the Mahabharata identifies some of the attributes of Kali Yuga. In relation to rulers, it lists:
Rulers will become unreasonable: they will levy taxes unfairly.
Rulers will no longer see it as their duty to promote spirituality, or to protect their subjects: they will become a danger to the world.
People will start migrating, seeking countries where wheat and barley form the staple food source.
"At the end of Kali-yuga, when there exist no topics on the subject of God, even at the residences of so-called saints and respectable gentlemen of the three higher varnas [guna or temperament] and when nothing is known of the techniques of sacrifice, even by word, at that time the Lord will appear as the supreme chastiser." (Srimad-Bhagavatam (2.7) With regard to human relationships, Markandeya's discourse says:
Avarice and wrath will be common. Humans will openly display animosity towards each other. Ignorance of dharma will occur.
People will have thoughts of murder with no justification and will see nothing wrong in that.
Lust will be viewed as socially acceptable and sexual intercourse will be seen as the central requirement of life.
Sin will increase exponentially, whilst virtue will fade and cease to flourish.
People will take vows and break them soon after.
People will become addicted to intoxicating drinks and drugs.
Gurus will no longer be respected and their students will attempt to injure them. Their teachings will be insulted, and followers of Kama will wrest control of the mind from all human beings.
Brahmans will not be learned or honored, Kshatriyas will not be brave, Vaishyas will not be just in their dealings.

This describes the Kali Yuga, or Iron Age.

If you can not seem to understand this symbolism or the use of a metaphor, then it would seem that our discourse should go no further. I will not attempt to open the eyes of one who claims himself to be a man of action, yet require his hand to be held through the simplest teaching as to what a metaphor is.

The metallic ages you keep referring to as part of history are SEPARATE from the Yuga's of Hinduism... Please for all that is holy to you, even if it be your Science, go study the "Science" of English and discover what a homograph is. The definition alone should let you know how silly you are on insisting that these words only have one meaning or use...They do not...

I would also like to point out to you, that the people who wrote these epics, were real flesh and blood people; not fairy tales. The concept of Yuga's is in no way a fairy tale, and was laid out in the Epics of the Hindu's before the Modern Academia you swear yourself to even existed. To be fair; their claim to the definition of "Ages" far exceeds yours. The concept of a Yuga in no way involves witches riding on broomsticks, alleged nuclear weapons in ancient times, magic or any other 'nonsense' you may consider to be fairy tales...It is simply that...An 'effing concept.....Get it?

edit on 20-7-2013 by VeritasAequitas because: (no reason given)

My body started to break out wanting to do the Neutron Dance after reading your post!

Originally posted by DarkNite
reply to post by CircleOfDust

 

So my question is what is beyond the Iron Age? What is next?

I think I answered that on the second page.

Originally posted by CircleOfDust
reply to post by iterationzero

 

CAN'T

Yes we can..

www.livescience.com...

michaelsheiser.com...

it is just there is no point and it would cost to much....please tell me why you think we can not?

Originally posted by DARREN1976

Originally posted by CircleOfDust
reply to post by Xtrozero

 

Best not wait to long personally. Time has a nasty tendency to be in abundance until finally it runs out. Everything in the universe is cyclical, you should realize that by now, so why not Time?

You are right of course in that everything is cyclical, what will be has been and what has been will be, and so on, and so fourth...
add infinitum. It is said in some circles that the universe has a beggining and an end, the Big Bang and the Big Crunch, and then starts all over again , who knows how many times there has been a big bang and big crunch? Once, twice, a million times? And people who subscribe to this school of thought also believe that we have existed, all the same people, personalities, planets, animals, your old dog rover, have existed before in each new shaping of the next universe/Big Bang. So yes, everything IS cyclical.

edit on 20-7-2013 by DARREN1976 because: spelling mistake...

There we go.

morning/afternoon/evening/midnight

spring/summer/fall/winter

gold/silver/bronze/iron

the amazing fractal nature of our universe, as above so below. Modern science likes to think itself smart, but misses the most obvious fundamental realities in the universe. When it all boils down, how is that in any way smart? But truth be told, we have certain people within Academia to prevent the truth from getting out. Blinded since birth and upbringing in our glorious schools. Got to love it.

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I don't like your avatar .gif...it gives off a bad energy.

Go try and balance that rotating door as well as the original architect when he built it at corral castle and then we'll talk.

reply to post by CircleOfDust


Why not tell me the reasons why we can not build them? please tell me what the egyptians had which we can not copy to build them?

Instead of trying to divert with BS about my avatar eh?

Go on tell me...

reply to post by CircleOfDust

Everything you believe about the history of the world is False

Rather than debate the plumbing, let me address the whole house... if I may...

It is indeed highly likely that everything you think you know about the world around you, is at least some portion, incorrect. It doesn't matter your religion or lack thereof. You're in the nursery and you have nice windows to gaze out and secure cribs to keep you in... until you are ready to leave this place.

Enjoy it while you can... gaze in wonder an awe and set aside your pride. We are not as smart as we like to think we are. The time will come soon enough when the nursery door opens again...

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u cant cage a free spirit once released,,,"confushise"?

Originally posted by BobAthome
reply to post by redoubt

 

u cant cage a free spirit once released,,,"confushise"?

We are all currently caged in these physical machines... these instruments of experience. In order to escape... they have to cease to exist. And even then... who knows?

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some do,,,some don't.,,will u?,,or will u won't,,,

Originally posted by BobAthome
reply to post by redoubt

 

some do,,,some don't.,,will u?,,or will u won't,,,

Will I won't?

That was worth a refill on my rum & coke, lol.

Your life, your experience in it. What you do... what you learn, what you fail, what you achieve is entirely you.

When the machine fails and you get cut loose to whatever follows, you can say I offered silly replies to some person I never met on ATS. Hell, that might be worth something

Peace

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to be honest its from an old "blues tune",,something bout my baby,,,

“There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle.”

Originally posted by BobAthome
reply to post by redoubt

 

to be honest its from an old "blues tune",,something bout my baby,,,

That's cool man... no problemo

Originally posted by JustEve
“There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle.”

Yeah, just like that.

While I believe there are things about our past that we don't know, like who was mining huge amounts of copper in the UP of Michigan and northern Wisconsin 4,000 years ago? Copper from the area has been found in shipwrecks in the Mediterranean dated to 3,500 BC.

I'm not sure your theory holds water because there is no evidence for it.

Figure out who mined enough copper to fill hundreds of modern ore carrying ships and shipped it to the Med, then you'll have something.

reply to post by CircleOfDust

CAN'T

Right. So we can build a scale model of it in Las Vegas out of glass and metal that, while shorter by about 120 feet, has nearly 4500 rooms and literally hundreds of times the interior space and is still structurally sound enough to be a casino... but we couldn't build one out of rock that has essentially no real interior room? Makes absolute sense!

Originally posted by AngryCymraeg

Originally posted by DarkNite
reply to post by CircleOfDust

 

So my question is what is beyond the Iron Age? What is next?

China? Titanium?

The age of Frankencorn... Where 6 foot rabbits rule the world.

Want to know how I know?

A hippy was riding his astral 6ft rabbit around in circles in my garden singing :

Golden age,
Silver age,
Bronze age,
Iron age.

Rusty cage, rusty cage, rusty cage da dum.

True story, I thought they were hopping mad to be honest. The rabbit did a big bunny hop when the da dum comes... pretty cool

The rabbit couldn't wait for it's chance to shine. That is why I support Monsanto, bunnies are so cute even 6ft ones.


On topic

People should always keep an open mind, I mean archaeology was just one of many groups that dismissed the existence of Troy.

I bet a few people had egg on their faces the day it was finally discovered and made known.

Anyways good on the op for posting this, it has little to do with science and more about seeing history as it might have been in a philosophical sense. We were not there so all we can do is speculate. Isn't that what history itself is? speculation on events that might have been based on the evidence we hold, like for instance Egyptians might well have been caught in the separation of the Red Sea, due to findings of possible royal chariot and science proving that the phenomena itself might be possible (parting the red sea).

Although I agree nothing at all substantial points towards what the Op wrote, our forefathers seemed to respect and believe it so it is worthy of at least a bit of respect and thought.

Speaking of metaphors also, it's arguable that Britain/England had a golden age when the nation became an industrial machine pumping out goods like god knows what. Those goods, ships etc were not made of gold now were they? We didn't go around the world seeking lands for gold either... it was more about control and trade commodities such as spices, opium, tea anything with £ signs on it.

Was Napoleons cannons plated with gold? it is arguable the 1st brought a golden age to France.

Originally posted by boymonkey74
reply to post by CircleOfDust

 

Why not tell me the reasons why we can not build them? please tell me what the egyptians had which we can not copy to build them?

Instead of trying to divert with BS about my avatar eh?

Go on tell me...

We can in theory just like we can go back to the Moon, problem is it's too damn expensive and nobody wants to pay for such things nor would anyone with the money buy such a venture.