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The truth is you won't know how long hell will last until you get there.
Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by spartacus699
The truth is you won't know how long hell will last until you get there.
Even then, you don't know because there is no way to measure time, since there is no sun, moon, or stars, and why it is called hell.edit on 1-8-2013 by jmdewey60 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Deetermined
With all that said, what is your view on death and the afterlife?
Did I read somewhere that you don't believe in heaven or hell?
What happens?
That is what Yahoshua did he "resurrected" life into all things...ALL..have all entered in through the physical realm?..No...the many have not and will not in this physical age(realm).
No one knows what that "heavens" is because no one has entered into that heavens except Yahoshua.All that are dead are asleep in hades..the grave..the realm of imperception.They have not been resurrected.That is the 2nd resurrection.
The New Testament says that there is a hell.
There is no place that is the eternal punishment of hell.
The "physical realm" would be membership in a religion that has as its requirement for admission into it based on a particular hereditary bloodline, for example the religion of the temple cult of Jerusalem.
The physical realm is in the valley of the shadow of death where imperception reigns through the carnal religious mind that is at enmity with God(spirit) and veils the spirit of life.That is what Yahoshua overcame while in the flesh.It had nothing to do with him following the Law and fulfilling it which made him sinless...again..The scriptures TESTIFY of Yahoshua not the other way around.
Originally posted by Deetermined
reply to post by Rex282
That is what Yahoshua did he "resurrected" life into all things...ALL..have all entered in through the physical realm?..No...the many have not and will not in this physical age(realm).
Can you explain your view on that further?
The many cannot know this while they are on the wide path of belief.The many paths of religious salvation all lead to destruction of religion which in one sense does lead to salvation but only indirectly.The wide gate does not lead to resurrection but destruction...death.Then in the next age comes resurrection. Some to honor some to dishonor.
The religious twist the scriptures to justify themselves as being the "only" ones saved by their "method"...their "church"etc...They sit upon the throne of judgement as God..the abomination that makes desolate.This should all be obvious but it isn't.God has caused a strong delusion of religion so they would believe a lie.
Originally posted by Deetermined
]Does it really matter what anyone thinks? How can anyone but God/Jesus sit upon the throne of judgement? Man isn't capable of truly judging anyone or condemning them to "hell" by his own beliefs or thoughts.If we're all judged/condemned just by thinking that someone has the wrong belief or is on the wrong path, wouldn't that include you?Like I said, the wide path to destruction is sin, because all have sinned and have come short of the glory of God, whether in thought, actions or deeds.So, now I must ask, what is your definition of "honor" versus "dishonor" at the time of resurrection?
This is a theory that was supported by the Old Testament, that the threat of death given by The Lord in the Eden story is executed in how people are doomed to die after a certain amount of years of life. Paul used this traditional way of thinking of sin and death that was common with Jews of his time, and refers to it in an analogy about what Jesus did to bring life, through his obedience, compared to the opposite thing with Adam.
Sin leads to death.
The word "sin" has its origin, in the Hebrew and Greek of the Bible, in an archery analogy of not hitting the target.
Sin is missing and falling short of the mark of perfection.
Paul said the "wages of sin is death" where he was making an analogy between what he called "sin" as a way of living as a servant of Sin as if it was a kingdom, and what you can get by living righteously for the kingdom of God, where that kingdom has life to offer as a reward. So Paul was not saying it to mean something like, 'commit a sin, and you die'.
All have "sinned" so ALL will die because the "outcome" of sin(imperfection)is death.
According to the analogy that Paul was making in Romans, there is, which is that there is death in the world. The OT way of understanding death is as a result of the sin of our earliest ancestors, where we pay the penalty by dying after a certain point that can be predicted fairly closely, between 70 and around 115 years.
HOWEVER there is no a punitive judgment for being born a sinner.
According to the biblical "form", not only can you, but we are commanded to.
No one was born perfect nor can they become perfect in any form.
Obviously we do not judge others, that is God's to do. We can judge other's actions if they are good or bad, in cases where it is plain to see that it goes against God's law of love.
When someone believes that someone else will be meted out the sentence of the eternal punishment . . .
Then Jesus goes on to say that the Holy Spirit judges those who reject the message, and so the world will be judged.
He said I do not come to judge the world but to save it....which is 100% true.He also said the Father does not judge but ALL judgement has been given over to the son...again 100% true.
Here Jesus is taking the judgment and resurrection as a single event, and is saying that he himself is the one who will be resurrecting anyone. Your being resurrected or not will be your judgment.
ALL judgement has been given over to the son . . .
So why do you go to the trouble of posting anything?
As I've said many times no one can understand ANYTHING of God unless God reveals it to them.
Jesus was talking about the leadership of the Jews and how they would be held accountable for the stewardship entrusted to them of the followers of that religious cult.
The servant who did not will receive few.That is allegorical.
I don't think that Jesus went through a "process" after he was crucified.
Resurrection isn't an event just as salvation is not an event it is a process.
That is a theory that you made up.
Resurrection is the transformation into birth of spirit in communion with God.
Because they are the ones who put themselves into positions of responsibility, and mostly to be hypocrites in order to get some sort of earthly gain.
....He reserved his harshest words and reprimands to only the religious and still is because they need the most correction.
That is a name made up by the so-called messianic Jews in order to diminish Jesus, where his real name means "Savior".
The facts are the scriptures are the testimony of Yahoshua...God is salvation.
So, you support Judaism, then? When you say "doctrines" what you really mean is the Trinity and that Jesus is one of the three persons of the godhead?
As soon as it is believed to be any more then its formed into doctrines of men and will be twisted to fit agendas.
I would say that you do, to spread the Jew-made name to replace the Christian "Jesus", and to promote Talmudic Judaism and Kabbalistic mysticism.
I have no agenda.
So you do have books for sale that you wrote, then?
What I say is not to a congregation or to buyers of my books . . .
Which is where this fabricated replacement name for Jesus comes from, where you fist have the agenda, then the tool for it.
I am but one voice in the wilderness saying the salvation of God is for everyone and Yahoshua commanded(not demanded) which is a declaration ...
Salvation is the action of Jesus, and our participation in it, according to the New Testament, is entering into the the church that Jesus created, by belief, repentance, and baptism.
It is an infinite process that cannot be chose only God chooses and changes and delivers.That is salvation.
Originally posted by Deetermined
When Jesus said he came to save the world and not judge it, it was because he was here in the flesh to die for our sins. At the time he was here, he did not come to judge. Judgement is reserved for later, after his second coming. The book of Revelation tells us that he will return to judge and make war.
As for repentance, there is no metaphorical meaning behind it either. We're either sorry or remorseful for the sins we commit in our lives, or we're not. What happens after that is up to God.
If our views and beliefs are meant to change, they will.
Originally posted by Rex282
Sin leads to death.
Sin is missing and falling short of the mark of perfection.All men were born imperfect they aren't unrighteously imperfect because they had sinned.All have "sinned" so ALL will die because the "outcome" of sin(imperfection)is death.
Is there judgment ..of course there is.It is not what man perceives it to be.
Originally posted by Deetermined
reply to post by Itisnowagain
Sorry, unlike you, I don't subscribe to the "nothingness" theory.
I believe in a reality where words really exist and the dictionary has defined their true meaning in a way they were meant to me known by all mankind, while not making up their meanings for myself as I go along.