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Originally posted by tothetenthpower
His breach of trust to the government, was because they were doing things they weren't suppose to be doing. Things that are immoral and illegal.
You would defend them, over the person who brought it to light?
~Tenth
He had no sense of propriety.
He was not the proprietor of the program
although he chose to act as though he were.
But what did he really leak?
Originally posted by redoubt
reply to post by mikegrouchy
Applying your terms and definitions, Snowden emerges representing a species that is by definition, imperfect. And not just him, mind you... but another 8 billion+ who are all equally imperfect.
A poster child for the human race.
Just [color=gold] another opinion in a world with so many
Originally posted by tothetenthpower
There is also no difference between leaking a drone strike and what he leaked. How do you think they find out where these people are, before they kill them?
Spying programs like PRISM.
~Tenth
Originally posted by mikegrouchy
Originally posted by Metallicus
Mike,
People aren't trying to marginalize and destroy you. They are just disagreeing with you.
You say [color=gold] Snowden betrayed trust? The trust of a corrupt government, maybe, but he was protecting the trust of the people and of the Constitution he swore to uphold. That's my opinion.
So all I have to do
is consider someone "corrupt" and
that gives me license to betray any trust?
Mike
To borrow the Japanese phrase... "In this floating world we live in" ... one has to be able to trust in binding agreements.
The internet itself could never have been built without some level of dependable trust.
Originally posted by Logarock
Originally posted by mikegrouchy
Originally posted by Metallicus
Mike,
People aren't trying to marginalize and destroy you. They are just disagreeing with you.
You say [color=gold] Snowden betrayed trust? The trust of a corrupt government, maybe, but he was protecting the trust of the people and of the Constitution he swore to uphold. That's my opinion.
So all I have to do
is consider someone "corrupt" and
that gives me license to betray any trust?
Mike
If the corruption were associated with a fiduciary responsibility then no [color=gold] you cant put ideas of loyalty above all else.....and if its corrupt on that level it probably is systemic anyway. Folks act like there is some righteous foundational truth in [color=gold] loyalty that should be addressed [color=gold] at the expense of all others. In private maybe. That's not what we are talking about here.
Originally posted by nwdogg1982
The US government doesn't trust any of its own citizens. Snowden simply revealed that truth to the people of the world, since the government broke our trust that it would follow the Constitution. [color=gold] So he broke confidentiality agreements...in my view, that was a most trustworthy action. Trust in the people to deserve the truth. The government deserves no secrecy when they refuse to trust in the people.
Originally posted by Rocker2013
reply to post by mikegrouchy
I think you're typing nonsense. No really, I do.
The only "trust" that has been breached here is the trust the people should be able to have in their elected representatives and their government.
I tried to make some sense of your post, I really did. But this seems like nothing more than a convoluted method to attack this young man, even stretching beyond reasonable intelligence to do it. What you've written really doesn't make much sense at all.
Originally posted by dominicus
A hero!!!!! He's the David to the Goliath, like Michael Hastings was when he was reporting about fishy things the cia, fbi, and top brass were doing and got killed for it.
Snowden [color=gold] is a blueprint. 1 man who changed the world!!!!!! An inspiration who has inspired me to get off myarse and start talking to others, writing books, calling my congressmen and reps, and doing something about things that aren't right....
A global hero
Originally posted by Metallicus
It is difficult to say he violated trust because he didn't violate MY trust. He told ME the truth and was true to the Constitution. It depends on what trust you think is more important, I suppose, but he was in a no win situation if you want to stick to absolutes. If he does nothing he violates trust and if he does something he violates trust. So if you are willing to concede he violated trust either way I suppose I could agree with that position.
Except on little thing. He may have gotten nine tenths right, but he violated the tenth point completely.
10) Trust: