I don't buy this "theory" of gravity.

reply to post by borntowatch

Those 7 listed evolving cases could be simple adaptation, they certainly sound like adaptation. Hey believe what you want to. Its your choice after all

which are a mechanism of evolution. The poster wanted examples of animal A turning into animal B. THat's not how it works. Animal A adapts and mutates, and over thousands of generations, traits are passed down or lost, until, millions of years later, animal B no longer resembles animal A, yet they come from the same ancestor.

so what i'm saying, and man the racists will hate this, we all come from the same source dna, mutated over the years, passed down, copied, edited, but since we're here, our dna survived, we're all brothers and sisters, plants, animals, humans.

and how that doesn't fit with religion is beyond me.

reply to post by Araqiel

Have a look into Electric Universe theory.

My understanding of that theory is loose, but I am aware of it. I'd say in a few more decades we'll be able to merge parts of it with our current understanding.

That said, clearly a lot of you didn't even finish reading my first post, I mean, once you get to me saying the earth is flat and not orbiting the sun, could you not sense the sarcasm? Then when I denied the existence of helium, it wasn't apparent then?

This started as an example of the ridiculousness of creationism. It's ending as an example of how people read a thread title then comment.

Seriously, that's more scary than creationism in some ways, at least those guys read the whole post before making crap up and posting it.

reply to post by Blowback


Haha i like how you worked 911 in, great job. Hopefully the sarcasm wasn't totally lost on you though, I'm well versed in the fact that gravity exists.

I guess we really do need that "sarcasm" tag.

the difference though, is I'm sarcastically arguing against tested science, where as the official story of 911 flies in the face of basic science, polar opposites. But a great example, glad you posted it.

reply to post by boymonkey74


Further to the speaking monkey why aren't monkeys still evolving into humans.

And wouldn't that just void out the point of humans giving birth? Born a monkey evolved to a man.

I believe in adaptive evolution, but that's a whole other story.

reply to post by VoidWalker


because monkeys and humans are separate branches on the tree of evolution, we share a common ancestor, we did not evolve from monkeys, they are not evolving to us, but both of us are indeed still evolving.

This is another straw man argument the creationists created to confuse people, and clearly it works. We didn't evolve from monkeys, no scientist has said we did, because the evidence suggests we, as in primates in general, evolved from a common ancestor.

A good example is some of the ancestors like Homo erectus. Were are related, but we are not descendant from them, their branch went extinct, ours didn't. They failed to adapt, we didn't.

I maintain to this day, that if those who don't "believe" in evolution bothered to actually educate themselves, even on an elementary level, they would probably reconsider it.

reply to post by phishyblankwaters


It has amazed me how people miss the sarcasm in both our posts.

reply to post by boymonkey74

It has amazed me how people miss the sarcasm in both our posts.

I know, I'm stiff baffled. I said the earth is flat ! I denied the existence of hydrogen, one of the most abundant things in the universe lol, or maybe helium, i dunno I don't remmeber

It's fine, I guess it gives everyone a chance to explain stuff clearly, even if it's not really needed, it might help someone who came in here to actually agree with my OP.

Assuming you're just trolling and just want the attention this is for people who genuinely ask these questions.

Originally posted by phishyblankwaters
Clearly, it's just a theory. Stupid scientists have no idea how it actually works. Gravitons? That sounds like some vitamin or something. They are just making this stuff up.

It may have been a theory during the time of Newton, But it is a little more than that now. Scientists have very good ideas of how it works. Just because you think it sounds like a Vitamin doesnt mean its false.

Originally posted by phishyblankwatersIf gravity existed, wouldn't we have been pulled into the sun by now?

No. The Sun's gravity is pulling the earth towards it but the earth is moving sideways very fast around the sun. If you fired a bullet out parallel to the earth it would eventually slow down and fall to the ground. But if the bullet was to move fast enough it would fall towards the earth at the same rate as the curvature of the earth falls away beneath it, at which point it would be in orbit of the earth. The reason the bullet slows down is because of the friction from moving through the air. There is no air or friction when moving through space so the earth maintains its speed around the sun.

Originally posted by phishyblankwaters
If gravity exists, why can birds fly?

The fundamental mechanics of bird flight can be transferred to planes as I will explain in a minute. By flapping their wings, birds create thrust and lift. Their wings take up a special shape which makes the air flow much faster over the top surface of the wing than it flows below the under-surface of the wing when the bird is gliding through the air. The high and low air pressure above and below the wings is also creating lift for the bird and combining this with a birds extremely light weight and aerodynamic features it is more than enough to counteract the force of gravity acting upon it. Of course if a bird stops flapping and brings its wings in it will fall to earth.

Originally posted by phishyblankwaters
Why do planes work?

Very similar to birds. In fact the study of birds played a very important part during the development of the first aircraft. An aircraft's wings are shaped specifically to allow the air to flow around them in a certain way, causing lift much like when a bird is gliding. The weight of an aircraft is kept balanced and the engines of an aircraft create thrust. The thrust is what moves the aircraft forward continuing to force more air above and blow the wings. What is used to create the thrust really doesnt matter as long as air continues to flow around the wings. The amount of lift acting on the aircraft as a result of the air passing above and below the wings is enough to counteract the gravity pulling it down.

Originally posted by phishyblankwaters
I can't SEE gravity

Very true, But you feel its effects. You cant see the wind but you feel it and know its there. You can not see a lot of things. But they are there.

Originally posted by phishyblankwaters
science can't tell me exactly what makes it work

Science does explain EXACTLY how gravity works. very well and very clear. very quick and simple internet searches will tell you this. even in laymn's terms.

Originally posted by phishyblankwaters
Some say mass warps space time, sure, that makes a lot of sense. NOT.

Not just "Some" but Einstein and his theory of relativity. Time and space, according to Einstein's theories of relativity, are woven together, forming a four-dimensional fabric called "space-time." And experiments since the time of Einstein including experiments by NASA have consistently shown it to be accurate.

imagine a bed sheet spread out evenly and held up off the ground from its four corners. This bed sheet is the fabric of space-time. Place a bowling ball in the middle of the sheet and you will see it dip. This bowling ball represents earth and other large objects in space.

Originally posted by phishyblankwaters
Objects attract because they want to. I want to stay planted on earth, which is flat, and not orbiting the sun btw, so I stay. Now, if I was able to calm myself down into a state of deep inner peace, I'd be able to turn off those thoughts, and float around like a balloon.

gravity should pull a balloon down, but helium balloons float. Don't tell me you buy that "helium is lighter than air" crap, helium doesn't exist! You can't SEE it. It's made in the sun during nuclear fission? Pffft, that doesn't make any sense. How the heck is the sun going to create helium? It's just like, hey I'll make some helium today, what do you say moon? And the moon is like "sure man, and I'll just hang here proving gravity doesn't exist because I haven't floated away or crashed into the earth yet"

*Face Palm* too much trolling

reply to post by Silicis n Volvo

Assuming you're just trolling and just want the attention this is for people who genuinely ask these questions.

It's not trolling, it's satire, but thanks for at least reading the whole OP, most just read the title, I suggest maybe reading page 1 of a thread before posting next time. But thanks for another well written explanation, as I said before, hopefully those who need that information will find it.

I mean really, I deny gravity, the existence of helium, claim the earth is flat and not orbiting the sun, and you didn't catch a whiff of sarcasm?

This 'rant' was barfed up, by me, in response to this:
ATS THREAD

That might help add context lest everyone think I've lost my mind. And I just noticed.... how the hell is this a right-wing teaparty rant? I don't even get how that would apply even if I was rightwing or a teaparty member lol I'm a damn socialist leftist from Canada!

Originally posted by phishyblankwaters
reply to post by Silicis n Volvo

 

Assuming you're just trolling and just want the attention this is for people who genuinely ask these questions.

It's not trolling, it's satire, but thanks for at least reading the whole OP, most just read the title, I suggest maybe reading page 1 of a thread before posting next time. But thanks for another well written explanation, as I said before, hopefully those who need that information will find it.

I mean really, I deny gravity, the existence of helium, claim the earth is flat and not orbiting the sun, and you didn't catch a whiff of sarcasm?

edit on 19-7-2013 by phishyblankwaters because: (no reason given)

Ofcourse, hense the troll comment. the wording just sounded sarcastic. less like someone with genuine skepticism and more like someone just having a laugh seeing what reaction could be gotten. specifically the last 2 paragraphs.

If it's not deliberately trolling / satire then why bother posting it in "rants"



Btw.. nice name Phishhead
Hooray for Forums!

reply to post by Silicis n Volvo


yeah I guess I just define trolling a little differently I have to admit the thread has become much more educational that I expected. Many points have been proven, and I'm glad that the people of ATS being very informative is one of them.

Originally posted by phishyblankwaters
reply to post by borntowatch

 

Those 7 listed evolving cases could be simple adaptation, they certainly sound like adaptation. Hey believe what you want to. Its your choice after all

which are a mechanism of evolution. The poster wanted examples of animal A turning into animal B. THat's not how it works. Animal A adapts and mutates, and over thousands of generations, traits are passed down or lost, until, millions of years later, animal B no longer resembles animal A, yet they come from the same ancestor.

so what i'm saying, and man the racists will hate this, we all come from the same source dna, mutated over the years, passed down, copied, edited, but since we're here, our dna survived, we're all brothers and sisters, plants, animals, humans.

and how that doesn't fit with religion is beyond me.

edit on 19-7-2013 by phishyblankwaters because: (no reason given)

well if all the elephants without tusks were shot. elephants with out tusks would be a minority. Does that mean they become rhinos???
Doubt it.
They are elephants without tusks

Steady on, they are still elephants

They are adapting not evolving in to something else.

The single greatest Troll post in the history of the interwebs.

I think some peoples heads may have exploded just reading it.

Comedy genius

My stomach hurts!

You know whats even more funny... the people that think OP is serious!!

People need to have some brain power to get satire.

Pretty funny post. However you are right about gravity. The theory of gravity is just that. It's a theory. Here is the first video of a series that will eventually be known to the world and will change the theory on gravity forever.

EINSTEIN WAS WRONG! get that through your head sheeple!

One thing scientist can't deny is that electromagnetic force has more interaction with physical bodies than gravity.

The interesting thing is that gravitational theory can not stand on it's own. When the theory doesn't work they call on some other theory to support it whether it be mystery meat or special sauce.

They can't harness it, recreate it, or prove it exists.

Now every scientist knows the universe is built on atoms and that all material is made of atoms. They also know that gravity has nothing to do with and is not intrinsic to the atom. The atom is fundamental and the groundwork for all things physical.

So how are things like gravity, dark matter, etc. possible?

With the atom in the picture gravity can only be an electrical force, chemical, or material. And according to scientist it none of these.

However, if gravity is taken out of the picture many theories and scientist are no longer relevant.

Originally posted by booyakasha
Pretty funny post. However you are right about gravity. The theory of gravity is just that. It's a theory. Here is the first video of a series that will eventually be known to the world and will change the theory on gravity forever.

EINSTEIN WAS WRONG! get that through your head sheeple!

Einstein was pretty damn close.

The linked video shows someone making shapes by directing plasma.

If I made an elephant shape out of putty, it does not follow that elephants are actually made of putty.

The linked video proves... absolutely nothing (except that there are mathematical and geometric factors that underlie both processes and that make them look similar).

Because one thing looks like another, it does not mean they are the same. The attached video is just bad science and bad logic.

reply to post by phishyblankwaters


You, me and any other person on this forum, wont ever know how this universe works mate.
We are still along way from knowing anything. And as you say, its theories, they admit it themselves, its THEORIES. They know they cant prove everything for a fact. But listen mate, many of them are pretty damn smart, and they are giving their best guesses with help from math, logic and nature.

And so they got some terrible names for things, and some of them are horrible at explaining the things they are proving. But its all in the math.

Originally posted by joer4x4
One thing scientist can't deny is that electromagnetic force has more interaction with physical bodies than gravity.

The interesting thing is that gravitational theory can not stand on it's own. When the theory doesn't work they call on some other theory to support it whether it be mystery meat or special sauce.

They can't harness it, recreate it, or prove it exists.

Now every scientist knows the universe is built on atoms and that all material is made of atoms. They also know that gravity has nothing to do with and is not intrinsic to the atom. The atom is fundamental and the groundwork for all things physical.

So how are things like gravity, dark matter, etc. possible?

With the atom in the picture gravity can only be an electrical force, chemical, or material. And according to scientist it none of these.

However, if gravity is taken out of the picture many theories and scientist are no long relevant.

edit on 19-7-2013 by joer4x4 because: spelling

Where do I start?

Electric fields are limited in range. If they weren't then they would be stronger than gravity in the macro-world and we would have flying vehicles powered by electric fields alone - we don't. Gravitation between masses may not be as strong but it is universal. 100% of all mass that exists in the universe attracts all other mass in the universe (as far as we know). The same cannot be said for electric fields.

Any theory that "stood on its own" would probably indicate that the theory did not actually relate to any other. The fact that the "theory of gravity" does not stand on its own perhaps indicates that it is integral to an almost complete description of the observed universe.

Gravity has been harnessed, recreated and proven to exist. One example of this is the orbital mechanics that got us to the moon & back and that keeps the communication and GPS satellites in orbit. Gravity happens as an emergent property of the mathematics that describe space, time and forces. the wonderful thing is that we can also observe gravitational effects and confirm the details of those mathematical descriptions.

While gravity is weak (compared to the other three forces) at atomic scales, it does exist and is intrinsic to the atom.

Why question how gravity is possible when we can measure it? Gravity is not only possible, it is actual (unlike dark matter which we can't measure or sense in other ways, but can only calculate).

The four fundamental forces are strong nuclear, weak nuclear, electric and gravitation (in order of strength) not electric, chemical and material. 'Chemical' and 'material' forces are a combination of the four fundamental forces. A scientist (physicist) would talk in terms of the four forces rather than 'chemical' and 'material' forces.

Only your final sentence is logically consistent. Similarly, if we dispense with science, then there is no science.