Can only end in VIOLENT Revolution, regardless you being goody two shoe

Some random thoughts:
If you look at history the song remains the same. War births a nation, the nation is war like and invades more and more territory until it is so large and arrogant it becomes vulnerable; it's size makes it unmanageable and it's arrogance rides tyrant over its people until either the people revolt and there is civil war or it is attacked at it's Achilles heel and is sacked. I think the only exception is Ghandi's revolution. So the pattern is set, and it will have to become much worse than it is today before there is a revolt. I think what makes the USA different is the generational "dumbing down" taking place in our educational system, where the younger generations just don't know that what is/has been taking place in our government is illegal, immoral, psychological manipulation, and in some cases, treasonous. So because of the lack of education, any revolt is likely to be in the future when the personal safety of many will motivate a revolt. And by then it may be hopeless. The system may have to fail of its own weight.

reply to post by missvicky


Gee look at the crowd

I want to thank all you guys for voicing (typing) your opinions. Some of you are smarter than me.

And some of you are down right cowards and immoral people to whom murdered countrymen mean nothing.

In any case. I haven't changed my opinion.

To me, it is clear government and bankers will continue doing exactly what they are doing.

They will continue to lower your standard of living, your piece of the pie will continue to get smaller.

In the end.........5-50 years from now, You will have nothing left in your hand, but a gun, and 6-9 bullets.

You will have to make them count, cause DHS has more bullets than you.

Enjoy those still cheap Big Macs...............FOR NOW !!!

reply to post by JilianK

In the end.........5-50 years from now, You will have nothing left in your hand, but a gun, and 6-9 bullets.

You will have to make them count, cause DHS has more bullets than you.

Enjoy those still cheap Big Macs...............FOR NOW !!!

You really do hat your tin foil hat on tight.

But you don't seem to understand the facts.

In 2009 (most recent I could find in 60 seconds) 40-45% of homes have firearms.
In 2011 1.25% of the population was employed by the federal government. That includes DHS and the military, eveybody.

Now comes Sandyhook. With all the talk of gun control all the guns on store shelves were sold in a week. I mean every single one. You couldn't buy a rat shooter. Then all the ammo was bought up. Even now 7 months later you would be hard pressed to buy handgun ammo. Hoarding is in overdrive. Rat shooting .22 cal is selling for 4 times it's former amount. Many of my friends have several thousand rounds of a single caliber in their inventory. A few have over 20,000 rounds.

I wouldn't be surprised if the total number of households with guns is up to 60%.
And what happened to all that new gun control? Nothing! A few localities passed a few laws. No big deal.
Even anal Illinois had now legalized Conceal Carry Permits.

I had an aunt who believed in this government conspiracy crap. She preached it to me from the time I was a small kid and she was in her 30's. She died in a government sponsored home last year. She was in her 80's. So much for her fears.

There is no way that 1.25% is going to take the guns from the 60%.

Here's something for you to try.
Turn off your computer and watch how fast all these conspiracies disappear.

Originally posted by samkent
But you don't seem to understand the facts.

In 2009 (most recent I could find in 60 seconds) 40-45% of homes have firearms.
In 2011 1.25% of the population was employed by the federal government. That includes DHS and the military, eveybody.

Here's something for you to try.
Turn off your computer and watch how fast all these conspiracies disappear.

I don't know if you go shopping, or perhaps your mom just buys you food.

Maybe you should take a look at how fast United States is losing what money is left in the hands of the people.

Maybe you are right about the guns. Maybe US will always be gun and bullet rich.

But I am still right on eventual VIOLENT REVOLUTION happening.

As for turning off the computer to make conspiracies disappear.

Did it work for these guys ??

reply to post by JilianK

As for turning off the computer to make conspiracies disappear.

Did it work for these guys ??

That is just another internet conspiracy. Turn off the PC and that conspiracy goes away too.
If you want to debate 911 they have a section for that. But its kind of dead over there.

Peoples money is not disappearing. They are spending it on things they do not need. You can live without a cell phone. Just ask your grandmother.
Plus they vote for people who promise to 'give' them things at the governments expense. Well now the bill is coming due.

And just to let you know my mother died 17 years ago and I am gliding towards retirement.

reply to post by samkent

Peoples money is not disappearing. They are spending it on things they do not need.

The VALUE of money is disappearing. Its called inflation, the silent economy killer. Hope you've got the wheels on you wheelbarrow oiled and the tires aired. Maybe learn to speak German.

reply to post by JilianK


If no one else had mentioned it, I just want to say I find using that piece of 9/11 footage as a prop to make a political point to be beyond the pale for tacky and cheesy. That man had about a second and a half of existence left in his life and I'm sure, hadn't intended it to be used this way.

To topic though, I sincerely hope you're mistaken about revolution. There is something else to consider with that as well. A fair % of those who fight in revolutions, throughout history, die in them. Whose to say you or I even live the first month? It's never a thing to look forward to and on many levels, for many reasons, IMO.

Originally posted by Druscilla
reply to post by JilianK

 

It's very simple.
If you don't like where you live ... move.

Its a big planet.

All the self entitled cry baby nonsense is ridiculous.

Rape camps? What? Really?
These little arguments are getting conspicuously desperate and laughable now.

Are you telling me you've solved all the other problems on the planet like poverty, sex slavery, famine, social equality, and everything else that goes on all over the planet in other places that some mealy mouthed dissatisfaction with current state of America is more important?

MMmmkay.

You guys have fun with your Violent Revolution Pornography.
I'm done here.

Then leave. You always have some negative sh*T to say. I agree with the OP, and obviously your a$$ isnt gonna be out ther with us.

To arms!

reply to post by Wrabbit2000

A fair % of those who fight in revolutions, throughout history, die in them. Whose to say you or I even live the first month? It's never a thing to look forward to and on many levels, for many reasons, IMO.

Very true. But at some point in tyranny people may decide that living on their knees isn't really living anyway, its existing in unlivable conditions. Are we there yet? Maybe not but we're getting closer every day.

John Kennedy was absolutely right in saying when peaceful revolution is impossible, violent revolution becomes inevitable. Unfortunately, said revolutions rarely end the lives and fortunes of those who made peaceful revolution impossible.

reply to post by JilianK


Was it necessary to use that poor man's final moments to try and score some sort of point? Really?

Just slightly beyond the pale, don't you think?

reply to post by frazzle

The VALUE of money is disappearing. Its called inflation, the silent economy killer. Hope you've got the wheels on you wheelbarrow oiled and the tires aired. Maybe learn to speak German.

US Inflation Rate:
1917 17.4% No revolution
1918 18 No revolution
1919 14.6 No revolution
1920 15.6 No revolution
1921 -10.5 No revolution
1947 14.4 No revolution
1974 11 No revolution
1979 11.3 No revolution
1980 13.5 No revolution
1981 10.3 No revolution
Since 1991 US inflation rate has been 3% or less with only a couple years spiking. Even those years were under 4%.

Inflation doesn't cause revolution.
Revolution causes inflation.

The OP is making unfounded Doom and Gloom predictions.
Remember the predictions about 2012?
If you web search you will find there have been doom and gloom (EOW) predictions throughtout human history.

EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM HAS BEEN WRONG! The OP is wrong also.

Originally posted by frazzle
reply to post by Wrabbit2000

 

A fair % of those who fight in revolutions, throughout history, die in them. Whose to say you or I even live the first month? It's never a thing to look forward to and on many levels, for many reasons, IMO.

Very true. But at some point in tyranny people may decide that living on their knees isn't really living anyway, its existing in unlivable conditions. Are we there yet? Maybe not but we're getting closer every day.

John Kennedy was absolutely right in saying when peaceful revolution is impossible, violent revolution becomes inevitable. Unfortunately, said revolutions rarely end the lives and fortunes of those who made peaceful revolution impossible.

^^^^^THIS^^^^^

Originally posted by samkent
reply to post by frazzle

 

The VALUE of money is disappearing. Its called inflation, the silent economy killer. Hope you've got the wheels on you wheelbarrow oiled and the tires aired. Maybe learn to speak German.

US Inflation Rate:
1917 17.4% No revolution
1918 18 No revolution
1919 14.6 No revolution
1920 15.6 No revolution
1921 -10.5 No revolution
1947 14.4 No revolution
1974 11 No revolution
1979 11.3 No revolution
1980 13.5 No revolution
1981 10.3 No revolution
Since 1991 US inflation rate has been 3% or less with only a couple years spiking. Even those years were under 4%.

Inflation doesn't cause revolution.
Revolution causes inflation.

The OP is making unfounded Doom and Gloom predictions.
Remember the predictions about 2012?
If you web search you will find there have been doom and gloom (EOW) predictions throughtout human history.

EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM HAS BEEN WRONG! The OP is wrong also.

They head off any thought of revolution with wars. People are so distracted by an outside enemy that they totally forget their dollars don't buy as much as they used to. History shows that when governments get into a mess they always use war to get out of their mess. Crash of 1907, WW1. Crash of 1929, WW2. Crash of 2008, WW3 which is already well under way.

Using the official numbers will tell you exactly nothing about inflation, just as they tell you nothing about the real rate of unemployment. Fudging numbers is what they do best. But you can keep track of REAL inflation all by yourself just by noting how much a jug of milk, a gallon of gas, or a car, or a house costs today compared to, say 10 or 20 or 30 years ago, or even in some cases, last week. That's inflation, when it takes more dollars to buy the same things.

reply to post by frazzle

Very true. But at some point in tyranny people may decide that living on their knees isn't really living anyway, its existing in unlivable conditions. Are we there yet? Maybe not but we're getting closer every day.

Define unlivable and what conditions need to be? Better yet, explain what end result violent revolution is intended to bring about? It would seem reform of the existing Government and structure isn't it by almost all who advocate this path ...so what is the replacement? Surely, we aren't supposed to just open fire and figure those details work themselves out down the road, right? That was kind of George Bush's thinking on Iraq in 2003. See how 'hoping for the best' turns out when it's a violent hell to get there, IMO..

No one would suggest a detailed blueprint be required and one never exists in such things...but a broad outline at least 50% of those even pushing the same direction can agree on would be a requirement and something no one is even remotely close to.

It's what killed Occupy in at least a fair part. 4 million people around the world under one movement ...but with 10,000 different concepts of priority and how best to get there. Unity is the base of revolution ...and "awakened", caring Americans can't even give a unified opinion on the state of our economy or general well being.

And like magic in 2016 we won't hear a peep from y'all .
All the troubles and "Hell in a hand basket" comments
will fade away, Right about the time the new President with acceptable
colored skin comes in.

Oh America? it's fine. The wars? Well that's for my safety...
Just like the spying. President Rand Paul wouldn't do anything
to hurt me, he's a real American.

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
reply to post by frazzle

 

Very true. But at some point in tyranny people may decide that living on their knees isn't really living anyway, its existing in unlivable conditions. Are we there yet? Maybe not but we're getting closer every day.

Define unlivable and what conditions need to be? Better yet, explain what end result violent revolution is intended to bring about? It would seem reform of the existing Government and structure isn't it by almost all who advocate this path ...so what is the replacement? Surely, we aren't supposed to just open fire and figure those details work themselves out down the road, right? That was kind of George Bush's thinking on Iraq in 2003. See how 'hoping for the best' turns out when it's a violent hell to get there, IMO..

No one would suggest a detailed blueprint be required and one never exists in such things...but a broad outline at least 50% of those even pushing the same direction can agree on would be a requirement and something no one is even remotely close to.

It's what killed Occupy in at least a fair part. 4 million people around the world under one movement ...but with 10,000 different concepts of priority and how best to get there. Unity is the base of revolution ...and "awakened", caring Americans can't even give a unified opinion on the state of our economy or general well being.

How can I, or anyone else define "unlivable", that's highly individual. What some people tolerate others will not. And there is no blueprint. There is no unity. There is no sense of "general" well being, its more a sense of general discomfort and dissatisfaction.

Therefore there is no doubt that revolution is on the horizon, or that it will quickly devolve into a civil war. It may even start out as a civil war because there isn't enough unity to actually bring about a revolution with an intended purpose or a plan for what comes afterward. I will give you Adam Kokesh as an example.

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But you can keep track of REAL inflation all by yourself just by noting how much a jug of milk, a gallon of gas, or a car, or a house costs today compared to, say 10 or 20 or 30 years ago, or even in some cases, last week. That's inflation, when it takes more dollars to buy the same things.

Prices 10 years ago compaired to today
Milk 2.68 to 3.62
Gas 1.47 to 3.35.
Ground beef 2.13 to 3.40
Eggs 1.18 to 1.93
Tomatoes 1.71 to 1.54 *****
Oranges .71 to .99
Electricity .09 to .12

Color televisions have been the same price since 1964.
Autos have gone up but so has quality. You can get cars with a 10 year warranty. So the total cost of ownership is aout the same.


Where is this inflation you are talking about?
How would your budget look if you ditched your cell phone? Cable? Things that you didn't have 20 years ago.

You really need to look beyond the one liners on the web.

Want to know the difference between violent revolution and peaceful civil disobedience?

Well, for one thing, both modes have different forms of courage and bravery. The former is a reactive and instinctual form, destructive and anarchical, blind and fury-driven with no purpose or achievement in mind; whilst the latter has the quiet and steely fortitude full of resolve and perseverance, it is purposeful and goal-driven and non-destructive, but fully capable of switching off the right systems of society for maximal effect. The former is animalistic, whereas the latter is intelligent and planned.

There's nothing macho or manly about seeking violent change, the violent make targets of themselves, and repulse the necessary support of sympathy and empathy from wider society.. Every so often, someone comes onto the forum and posts the need for violent revolution to make things right, but the fact is, it won't make things right, there are no leaders, no plans, no concepts of rebuilding when the fight is over, just chaotic tit-for-tat killings and murders from both sides, and severe governmental restrictions imposed through martial law.. Even if a violent revolution overthrew the current government, it would not have dented the goal behind its machinations, it won't have changed or won hearts and minds. No other country would recognize you as legitimate, and you would definitely need such recognition and aid. Violent revolution will not work in modern western societies, your own compatriots would disown you as traitors to the country. Unless you win the hearts and minds of your compatriots, violent revolution wouldn't stand a chance.

This is a war of ideology, it is not a physical fight. The battlefields are the hearts and minds of the people, not the streets of your cities.

reply to post by frazzle

Therefore there is no doubt that revolution is on the horizon, or that it will quickly devolve into a civil war.

That would be the main point we disagree on. You suggest it's on the horizon and I've been listening to people say that for over 20 years now. It's either not 'around the corner' or that's a big big corner we're going around. Indeed.. Some have been hearing it all the way back to the 60's.

The Funny thing is, those saying it in the 60's are the people who dropped the idea and turned inside the system to get what they wanted from the inside out. They've achieved it too. Almost entirely.

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
reply to post by frazzle

 

Therefore there is no doubt that revolution is on the horizon, or that it will quickly devolve into a civil war.

That would be the main point we disagree on. You suggest it's on the horizon and I've been listening to people say that for over 20 years now. It's either not 'around the corner' or that's a big big corner we're going around. Indeed.. Some have been hearing it all the way back to the 60's.

The Funny thing is, those saying it in the 60's are the people who dropped the idea and turned inside the system to get what they wanted from the inside out. They've achieved it too. Almost entirely.

I agree that people were saying a revolution was inevitable back in the 60s and even way before that. Even a few of the anti-federalists predicted another revolution would come sooner or later and they were saying that way back in the late 1700s. Just because it hasn't happened yet doesn't mean it won't.

I also agree that many of the 60s type radicals and protesters are now running the show. Maybe they became involved in government because they had been taught that the only way they could change anything was from within. And they actually did do that, unfortunately, they didn't change it for the better overall. Like dumping Glass Steagall, giving us the Patriot Act, TSA, NDAA and surveillance by NSA on everyone except those who need to be watched most closely.

I'm not the only one sensing that time is speeding up and that events both at home and globally are unfolding faster than anyone can keep track of, which doesn't bode well for the future. It is my OPINION that we will be sucked in to the maelstrom whether we like it or not.

ETA: BTW, "on the horizon" is a subjective term. Some people have a longer view than others and can see all the way to "the horizon", other's view is blocked by tall buildings or other obstacles that surround them, but if they thought to get up on the roof they'd have a better view of "the horizon".