Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Just a couple points on this. It's not just homosexual males who have anal sex. And not all gay men do. And many do it safely. So, to "persecute" gay
men for health care reasons would be somewhat arbitrary.
Indeed. I meant to point this out but the post was getting pretty long by the time I got there. I understand that straight people practice anal sex
too. What I meant was that the simple fact that many people choose to do it in a way that can be detrimental to your health (and that is their right,
IMO) will allow the control freaks to discriminate against such people with a (seemingly) rational excuse.
When the time comes for that, no one who matters will interrupt the "discussion" (as they're fond of calling it) by pointing out that no one has the
right to tell these people what they can and can't do even if it is detrimental to their health. Even if it does indirectly impact the cost of
"healthcare" and health insurance. That is irrelevant in the context of freedom.
But the public is relatively easy to manipulate when you go at it from this kind of oblique angle. The ugly fact of the matter is that most people
only believe in their brand of freedom. They will go along with oppression if it's oppression they find to be convenient for them, their opinions and
especially their finances.
The instant I went against the Obamacare mandate, I was attacked on financial grounds (Not here but everywhere else).
"Well, these people who don't have insurance drive my rates up! Why should they be allowed to do this to me?"
To say to these people "It shouldn't matter if their choice not to participate in the health insurance market indirectly makes your costs higher. They
have rights too. The have a right to choose". You just couldn't make that argument because they didn't care. You'd be lucky if you had one or two
other people making the freedom of choice argument and you'd invariably get shouted down.
Also, there are many activities and conditions people engage in that are unhealthy. Smoking, drinking, race-car driving, rock-climbing, being a
professional athlete, skateboarding, surfing, sugar consumption, obesity, skiing, etc... If we're going to cut people out of healthcare because of
their risky activities, it seems a bit unfair to pick on only gay men...
Oh no. I'm not saying they're going to cut people out of healthcare because of it. I'm saying they're going to go after their right to do these
things at all. They're already talking about taxing people who they deem to be too fat into compliance with their wishes. They've already made smoking
prohibitively expensive. They certainly are hard at work demonizing people who choose to consume sugar. And the mandate hasn't even kicked in yet.
The point I'm trying to make is that it's going to be nearly impossible for conservatives to oppose them because it's a seemingly pro-business
policy, which is typically conservative territory. Except the liberals are not interested in being pro-business at all. It's all about control.
Doesn't matter to them if they have to manipulate conservatives into accepting it.
Why do you think Romney had no realistic chance of beating Obama? It's because Romneycare and Obamacare were virtually identical on the most
controversial part (The mandate). Romney wasn't offering anything other than to turn his back on his own policies. Which everyone knew he wouldn't do
if he actually won.
Obama didn't even have a real opponent in 2012.
This is what I am saying. They are coming for the rest of our freedom and they're going to use the same template they used with Obamacare. They will
say (for example) that people who eat too much are harmful to "the greater good" (which they love to use that excuse). They will say that these people
need to be "cured" of their deviant behavior because it's costing the system too much money. And so on. Step by step they will decimate every freedom
anyone ever thought they had.
edit on 18-7-2013 by BrianFlanders because: (no reason given)