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A concept (Freemasons and "Satan")

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posted on Feb, 12 2014 @ 07:51 AM
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KSigMason
reply to post by FreeWillAnomaly
 

Well you're lying. I'm sure I commented on whatever thread you are talking about, but I never said that I believe salvation is attained through works alone. I've always stated that you need both faith and works, and, yes, I'm Christian. Also, duality is not contradictory to Christianity.


I'm not lying, but I am observing your responses here. You seem unable to be consistent in anything you say. You've stated multiple times outside of the psychological experiment that you participated in that salvation through works alone is what saves and that faith in Jesus is not necessary for salvation. Of course, in the experiment, you stated that salvation through faith is "some dumb belief in something." Duality IS extremely contradictory to Christianity but you really want it not to be so I will let you pretend.

Your inability to be consistent or honest about anything we have discussed here shows that talking to you any more will only tell me what I already know.

In what I have observed, I now understand why nasally sounding titles are given to Masons. Enjoy what you chose.




posted on Feb, 12 2014 @ 07:56 AM
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How is it that you have a problem with duality? Good vs. Evil, up vs. down?


For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.

Newtons third law of Physics.

It's fact, not religious, not dogma.



posted on Feb, 12 2014 @ 08:39 AM
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At the Muezzin's call for prayer
The kneeling faithful thronged the square;
Amid a monastery's weeds,
An old Franciscan told his beads,

While on Pushkara's lofty height
A dark priest chanted Brahma's might,
While to the synagogue there came
A Jew, to praise Jehovah's Name.

The One Great God looked down and smiled
And counted each His loving child;
For Turk and Brahmin, monk and Jew
Had reached Him through the gods they knew.

[Author Unknown]


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posted on Feb, 12 2014 @ 08:46 AM
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Saurus
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At the Muezzin's call for prayer
The kneeling faithful thronged the square;
Amid a monastery's weeds,
An old Franciscan told his beads,

While on Pushkara's lofty height
A dark priest chanted Brahma's might,
While to the synagogue there came
A Jew, to praise Jehovah's Name.

The One Great God looked down and smiled
And counted each His loving child;
For Turk and Brahmin, monk and Jew
Has reached Him through the gods they knew.

[Author Unknown]


Yet the anti-Mason's ire
Screamed, "You forgot Lucifer!"
While the fundie waved his hand
And proclaimed we love Satan.



posted on Feb, 12 2014 @ 08:51 AM
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That was interesting thanks for sharing. It is really good, short, and sweet.

I can't sleep, I keep thinking about that chick in your avatar.

I don't have enough energy to say much more..I'm depleted.



posted on Feb, 12 2014 @ 08:55 AM
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AugustusMasonicus

Yet the anti-Mason's ire
Screamed, "You forgot Lucifer!"
While the fundie waved his hand
And proclaimed we love Satan.


You can give them the answer on a platter, super simple style.
Don't matter, they won't even take it for free...

Hey I did as best as I could, I keep trying too, because I think I'll break through.
I don't know how long it will take but I see good things in the future.
A lot of good things.

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posted on Feb, 12 2014 @ 09:00 AM
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muzzleflash
You can give them the answer on a platter, super simple style.
Don't matter, they won't even take it for free...

Hey I did as best as I could, I keep trying too, because I think I'll break through.
I don't know how long it will take but I see good things in the future.


Positive thinking! I am with you my friend.



posted on Feb, 12 2014 @ 09:23 AM
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A much more poetic way to say what I tried to. Very nice.



posted on Feb, 12 2014 @ 09:34 AM
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AugustusMasonicus

Positive thinking! I am with you my friend.


Thank you Aug I really appreciate it.

I have some plans I have had on the back burner for quite awhile now...
The timing just doesn't seem right yet, but when the time comes I will strike.
I will use different strategies also.

All I want to do is share knowledge of God's infinity with everyone.
I want other things too but am willing to sacrifice them, if that's the cost.

I feel kinda wacky saying that, but it's true.
Gotta answer this "Call" while I have a chance.



posted on Feb, 12 2014 @ 09:38 AM
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I never heard this word until now : Muezzin

How do I pronounce it properly?
" Muse + In " ?
Or more like "Moo Zen" ?

This one - mu’aḏḏin - seems easier.
Maybe "Mu Odd Eeen" ?

Anyone who can confirm if any of those are correct enunciation thanks I appreciate it.



posted on Feb, 12 2014 @ 09:49 AM
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In google search, type, exactly as in the next line:

define: Muezzin

The world then appears in bold, large letters at the top of the page, and there is a little speaker icon right below the word where you can listen to the correct pronunciation.

P.S. The google define function is extremely useful when you're looking for a quick definition without having to go to a whole web page - it's a useful one to remember. Just always start with: "define: word"


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posted on Feb, 12 2014 @ 09:56 AM
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Saurus
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In google search, type, exactly as in the next line:

define: Muezzin

The world then appears in bold, large letters at the top of the page, and there is a little speaker icon right below the word where you can listen to the correct pronunciation.


I never realized I could do that. Thanks.
I also never searched for definitions that way, I always type "word + def", and it just brings up the dictionaries.
So thanks for the tip, will help a ton.

Also I feel really silly for not knowing that.
Gosh I am so ignorant, lol.



posted on Feb, 12 2014 @ 10:48 AM
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I have nothing right now to give back, except I will link a song.
I don't agree with everything this band says or anything, and I warn you some of their songs contain anti-Mason lyrics which you obviously would be offended by. But overall I do like a few samples of their music and the groove they get into (the 'Sons of Zadok' disk mostly).
(This song is clean though, haha)

Sadly Youtube doesn't have a good selection of their 'better esoteric' stuff. It's pretty underground.
I actually don't expect anyone to like it but you will know what I'm chillin to.





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posted on Feb, 12 2014 @ 12:37 PM
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Here's my piece on DC and the masonic influence, and I'll let you decide:


George Washington appointed Pierre Charles L'Enfant to design Washington DC, which was established in 1790 when an act of Congress authorized a federal district along the Potomac River and conveniently situated between the northern and southern states.

Thomas Jefferson had created a sketch of the city comprised of a square grid street system. L'Enfant took these designs further and applied radials upon them. From each of these radials stemmed streets that would shoot diagonally across the city intersecting the grid system. L'Enfant placed Congress on a high point with a commanding view of the Potomac, instead of reserving the grandest spot for the leader's palace as was customary in Europe, to display the American attitude of reserving the high point of the city for the Legislature whose duty it is to represent the People and the States. These wide boulevards stemming from the radials allowed for easy transportation across town and offered views of important buildings and common squares from great distances.

Eventually L'Enfant's head strong behavior earned him the ire of Washington, who fired him after one year of employment. According to the Encyclopedia Americana:


L'Enfant forged ahead regardless of his orders, the budget, or landowners with prior claims.

When he left the US, he took his designs with him. The duty of remaking the plans fell upon Andrew Ellicot and Benjamin Banneker (a freed black man). Banneker was able to recreate the plans in their entirety from memory.

Of all the men who dealt with the designs, of this future Seat of Government, was George Washington. Some have stated that L'Enfant was a Mason, but according to Brent Morris in his book, The Complete Idiot’s Guide to Freemasonry, stated:


Eager Freemasons with more enthusiasm than facts have claimed L’Enfant as a brother. It is unfortunate for them that there are no documents, either primary or secondary, showing L’Enfant was a Mason.

To counter this, Pierre F. de Ravel d’Esclapon, of New York, wrote an article called "The Masonic Career of Major Pierre Charles L’Enfant" who states there exist minutes of Holland Lodge in NY that show L'Enfant getting proposed and initiated, but makes no more further statements as to whether he made it to become a Master Mason. I find his article intriguing, but the evidence is circumstantial and muddies the water. Even if he had been initiated, if he had not progressed any further he would not have been considered a full member nor entitled to the rights of membership. Regardless of his affiliation, he was fired and the designs remade from Banneker are what we see today.

The conspiracy theorist states that there exists an inverted pentagram (as seen in the picture above), but if you notice I have one line that is blue. I made that line blue because Rhode Island Ave NW doesn't go all the way through to K St NW. Rhode Island Ave NW stops when it runs into Connecticut Ave NW. The pentagram is not complete.

Some also state that you can find the Square and Compasses (one of the most prominent Masonic symbols out there), but I'd like to point out that when you place a radial street system upon a grid system, you'll find the Square and Compasses. With an intricate crisscross of streets, you're bound to find various images. In fact, as you can see in the picture above, you can spell "JESUS" in the streets of Washington DC, but you don't hear anyone condemning it as some deviant scheme of the Christian faith.

I wouldn't say there wasn't any Masonic influence. Alice von Kannon, wife of Chris Hodapp stated, "For my money, the most powerful Masonic influence on America, as a whole, was Anderson's Constitution." That's her opinion though.

Our secrecy is really just privacy, but there's nothing inherently wrong with secrecy or privacy. The secrecy of Freemasonry has originated with a need since free thought and democratic ideals were condemned by most authoritarian rulers. The history of anti-Masonry is enough to show me why secrecy is needed. I also don't get why people are so uncomfortable with secrecy that they feel the need to make it taboo.

We are not a group guided by an "anti-God".



First of all, is this document still relevant?

It was a founding document and is good from a research perspective, but each of the 175+ Grand Lodges around the world has it's own Constitution and Rules.

reply to post by FreeWillAnomaly
 

You are lying. You said, "he ascribes to duality and salvation through works alone (no faith in Jesus required)". This isn't true as I've never said that which would indeed make you a liar. By all logic, you'd have provided proof of your assertion, but you can't because it doesn't exist.

I have always stated that one needs both faith and works, and often cite the Book of James: "Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone."


Of course, in the experiment, you stated that salvation through faith is "some dumb belief in something."

Then please give us a hyperlink to this post of mine.


Duality IS extremely contradictory to Christianity but you really want it not to be so I will let you pretend.

Maybe to your narrow minded view of your faith.


Enjoy what you chose.

I always do.
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posted on Feb, 12 2014 @ 01:06 PM
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I'm not arguing with you. I didn't lie and I am simply making observations. So far, from what I have observed, you believe you can sway opinion. You betray yourself by saying that knowledge of the lack of a spiritual duality is a narrow minded view of faith. I don't see a need to hyperlink to anything because A. I am not trying to prove anything and B. You remember what you said. I wouldn't be able to sleep at night if I allowed people to call me "worshipful master." That's akin to calling me "Father." If you didn't already betray yourself, I would probably dig up the link just to observe your response, but I don't see any point. I already know what it will be.



posted on Feb, 12 2014 @ 02:10 PM
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Well, I never said that one could be saved by works alone. To say that is a lie.


You remember what you said.

You're right and I never said what you charge me with saying.


I wouldn't be able to sleep at night if I allowed people to call me "worshipful master."

Why? Worshipful is old English for 'one worthy of respect' and being "master" just means I've mastered the rituals, the craft, of Speculative Masonry. The title is not one of worship or mastery over men's souls or salvation.

You won't dig up the link because you can't find it.



posted on Feb, 12 2014 @ 03:52 PM
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So respect the master. OK.

Who is your teacher?

Anyways, I don't care enough to dig them up and I already know how you will play your cards. Since you already know it is there, and you already know what you said, you are counting on me to be too disinterested to go get the link. Well, you are right.

You told the fake alien guy that his version of spirituality sounds better than salvation based on "some dumb belief in something." Either you participated in the execution of the experiment or you were dumb enough to fall for it and become a subject of it. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt when I said you participated.

You just want to argue and your level of dishonesty is truly annoying. You are extremely inconsistent in your statements, and have proven so multiple times in this very thread. Openness and honesty are two words that are not in your vocabulary.

Well, I am not going to go get the link just to argue with you. You know what you said anyways (even if you pretend not to).

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posted on Feb, 12 2014 @ 04:46 PM
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Heads up, this is sent from my phone. I apologize in advance for any errors.

Are you against respecting others?


Who is your teacher?

In what context?

I will say this again. I have never stated than works alone is enough for salvation.

I'm not being dishonest. You are making accusations and by your own admission are too lazy to back up your words.


Openness and honesty are two words that are not in your vocabulary.

If you think so but I disagree.


You know what you said anyways (even if you pretend not to).

I do know what I said. You are right there.



posted on Feb, 13 2014 @ 01:58 AM
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I used to work with a guy who would spend 20 minutes trying to get out of doing a 5 minute job. I never understood him.



posted on Feb, 13 2014 @ 04:55 AM
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Considering the context, it was probably the principal. Wouldn't expect you to understand...




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