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Every living thing was reproduced in gold and silver models. Trees,
even to the roots, and lesser plants with leaves, flowers and fruit fashioned
in natural size and style; some ready to sprout, others half-grown or in full
blossom.
Golden birds sat perched on silver trees, as if singing, while others were
flying and sucking honey from flowers.
Whole fields of maize were imitated—roots, stalk, flowers and cob; the
beard of the husk in gold, the rest in silver.
Other plants were similarly treated—a flower or anything of a yellow
tint in real life was done in gold, the other parts in silver. From the trees
hung nuggets of fruit.
Nothing remained uncopied: rabbits, foxes, mice, lizards, lions, tigers,
stags, snakes. All were set in their natural surroundings to enhance reality.
And as if that were not enough, golden butterflies flitted around in the
breeze.
Life-size fish, ropes, hampers, baskets, bins and even woodpiles for
burning were all fashioned in gold and silver, soldered together.
Such gardens, would you believe, graced all royal residences.
Originally posted by FreedomCommander
reply to post by AngryCymraeg
and do you know anything that happened within those 4.5 million years?
At least I do. Man was there, along with dinosaurs, and we had a grand life.
But seeing that you don't want to learn what happened back then, I believe it's best to leave you to your books written by lab rats.
Cheers, mate.edit on 23-7-2013 by FreedomCommander because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by FreedomCommander
reply to post by boymonkey74
History is a knowledge of the past based on testimony.
Look over the Book yourself.
But it's the archaeologist that find the stuff that says otherwise.
I mean, do we really know what happened back then?
Off the coast of Peru, near Puna, there is a garden... Why was such a beauty as those garden there? And who made them?
Originally posted by Astyanax
There have never been any archaeological or palaeontological discoveries that contradicted the theory of evolution by natural selection. Of course, you wouldn't know that from reading creationist books and web sites, which are full of stories about Paluxy dinosaur tracks and such-like. But those stories aren't true, and the claims made by creationists about them are false.
I suppose you found it here. Why do you believe it? It cites no sources and is full of obvious errors. There is no town or island in Peru known as Puna – it is a region. The name of the town is Puno. The location of Tartessus, a western Mediterranean port referred to in some ancient writings, is unknown (though it was probably near the mouth of the Guadalqivir river in Spain) and there is not a smudge of evidence to tell us that ships from the New World ever put in there – or anywhere else in the Old World – until after 1492.
Yes, there was a courtyard in pre-Colombian Peru full of golden artworks. It was known as the Coricancha or Qurikancha and it was in landlocked Cuzco. It was part of the principal temple of the Inca empire, so it is was a very special place – there were no 'courtyards like it up and down the land' as your source claims. And yes, the Spaniards did take the gold away and melt it down – gold was one reason why they were in the New World in the first place. Where did it go? It went to Spain (if it didn't go to the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean or into a pirate's purse) and from Spain it spread around the Old World. Most of it probably still exists, in the form of coin, bullion, jewellery and so on, to this day.
But what makes you think all this signifies the existence of some ancient, forgotten civilisation? The Incas themselves were capable of fine gold work, and it is safe to assume that they were the creators of the Qurikancha. Inca civilisation is far from ancient – their empire got its start only five hundred years or so before the Spanish arrived – but before the Incas, there were earlier peoples – there are remains dating back five thousand years in Peru, though evidence of gold working only appears after the time of Christ. We know that there have human beings in the New World for around 20,000 years, maybe longer, so there was plenty of time for gold mining and working to develop. Where is the mystery in all of this?
But I see that you have put your cards on the table now, and they proclaim that the truth of history is based on some science-fictionalised version of fundamentalist Christianity. If that is what you really believe, then no amount of reasoning with you is going to change your mind, is it?
Man's mind is a creature of doubts and questions. Answer one query, and another arises. His inner self is never satisfied, and you are not to be blame for wishing for a sign.
Not in detail, obviously (and we never will), but there is a broad narrative as well as a wealth of detail that arises clearly enough from the observed facts. It leaves no room for doubt that Earth is very ancient, that life emerged upon it billions of years ago, and has been evolving to attain its present diversity of form ever since.
The old devices have been reinvented.
He wondered whether the ancients might “not only have attained our present knowledge, but a power hitherto unmastered by us.”
He who controls the Past, controls the Future.
He who controls the Present, controls the Past.
-George Orwell
No, it's based on facts. Verifiable, testable facts. Dateable facts as well.
The universe could not have begun itself. EVOLUTION SAYS matter and energy created itself from nothing.
I think we are going to find that existence has no beginning and no end, and thus no need for a creator god.
I like the brane multiverse theory, which basically says there are many universes (branes) and sometimes they pop into or out of existence like a bubble, but there are always universes in existence somewhere so existence is infinite.
Originally posted by FreedomCommander
reply to post by AngryCymraeg
Your dinosaur idea, How?
No, it wasn't a asteroid, if so, we're dead, all of us, dead. Because it would be like shooting a .45 caliber at supersonic speeds, 200 feet away, at a solid dirt ball. Usually everything goes BOOM when that happens.
No, it's based on facts. Verifiable, testable facts. Dateable facts as well.
Then you don't know.
Instead of dismissing this, in your words, "A lairs book." Read it for a change.
Because the saying, "Never judge a book by it's cover." Holds true for everyone, including me and you.
But since you are so adamant on saying, "It's a lairs book." might as well, point you in the direction.
Page 84.
Feel free to read it or don't.edit on 24-7-2013 by FreedomCommander because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by FreedomCommander
reply to post by AngryCymraeg
Is it?
It doesn't matter, in fact, Interesting guy, just like you. More like two people, Gilbert West and Lord Lyttleton a famous English journalist, I found their stories... interesting.
Both atheist and skeptics. And both with a set intention to destroy Christianity.
They agreed that to destroy it, two things were necessary:
1. They must prove that Jesus never rose from the tomb.
2. They must prove that Saul of Tarsus, a hired assassin
and killer, and fiercely anti-christian, was never
converted to Christianity.
Their stories were interesting, and their journeys...Thrilling.
But I'll leave it there.
Nothing more to talk about,
Cheri-O.