reply to post by logical7
water cycle does not "create" water. Law of conservation of mass/energy does not create mass/energy.
I never said anything about creation. Just like water, energy manifests itself in different ways according to different conditions on different levels
of hierarchy. Just like the water cycle, energy follows a pattern wherein various combinations of stimuli and environmental factors result in various
products. Rain, snow, condensation, evaporation, run off, etc. Where did the energy come from? I don't know. No one does.
I think the discussion was, what's the 1st cause that caused this Universe and ultimately us. I say that the 1st cause should be uncaused or
we would just keep going back infinitely..
If there was an absolute answer to this question, the question wouldn't be asked because the answer would already be known. As such, I don't think we
have a good answer to this yet. Give it time. Modern science has only existed for about 200 years, and it's still feeling the effects of the last
2,000 years of religious influence.
You said, what if the chain leads back to us!! That was just a spark of imagination from you but means nothing.
Cool your jets, dude. No need to get hostile and antagonistic. Just ask me to clarify and I will.
Water from the ocean evaporates. It gets carried up to the sky. It gathers into clouds. These clouds drift along, playing a game of "give and take"
with other clouds via various forms of weather phenomenon along the way. Eventually, circumstances result in a build-up of clouds which become ripe
for releasing the gathered condensation. A rain storm develops, in which all of the water falls back to the earth. Then the water runs off and gathers
in various bodies of water that lie in that region. From there, it's a medley of different paths the water could take - reservoirs, sewers, rivers,
plant life, etc. Some of it will be used as a catalyst to provide fuel for other forms of life. Some of it will again evaporate and continue its
journey. And some of it....some of it will return to the ocean from whence it came. And the cycle begins anew. This is what I meant. If you believe in
soul energy, then your soul energy will climb a steadily progressing ladder that takes you on a winding and tedious journey through various
translations of the reality with which you are already familiar, until you lose all substance and become one of the many drops in the ocean, your
spirit diffusing and mingling indistinguishably with the vast pool of energy that forms the basis for all of existence. And when it's time...
You begin again.
Nothing can have an infinite past/history. Everything that exists in the material Universe has a beginning and so a finite past/history.
How do you know? Do you have the entire history and future of the physical universe on Kindle or something?
So whatever caused this Universe to begin must lie outside it in all ways, material and laws.
Or just in another translation. A program may be written for writing short stories or compiling rough sketches or designing rudimentary mechanical
devices, and if you look at the code behind the program, you will find the instructions and parameters for the development of those products written
in an entirely different language...a language that operates on a fundamental level which requires translation in order to appear meaningful. Any
other device which understands such a language would grasp the significance of the chaotic sprawl of characters, but a man who is born American and
speaks English would listen to a Chinese rocket scientist and walk away just as clueless as when he walked in. And if you were able to grasp the
syntax of the language by which those instructions were written, if you could grasp the tools used to compile that language, you could rewrite the
language and complete change the function of the program. Instead of a rudimentary mechanical device, you could compose a symphony...or translate an
image by increasing all of its binary numerical values by 1, thereby initiating a new art movement.
My point being, it doesn't have to lie outside
. It can lie under
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