David Icke’s Circus and His Reality / His Box for YOU

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posted on Jul, 16 2013 @ 12:23 PM
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I became aware of David Icke in the late 1980′s. I was drawn to read his stuff because I am a seeker. If it was odd, weird, unexplained then I wanted to read about it. So, when I read one of his early works, I was so shocked when he told the story of the “Messiah” character that had pretty much an exact story to Jesus but had lived a thousand or so years prior to Jesus. He gave his name, the historical references etc. and it shocked me because I was pretty much a new “born again” Christian having been raised Roman Catholic. I tucked that bit of information he had shared back in my mind, and then years later there was this movie “Zeitgeist” that had a whole section about these “Messiah” myths that threw me for a loop.

I was uncomfortable with the information, but I didn’t just go “Oh yeh, now I can chuck my belief in Jesus / Yeshua away”. I had a real solitary born again experience. No one was with me, I was seeking truth, and while I was reading a spiritual book one day the pieces finally fell into place for me, and my heart was truly changed. I no longer believed in Jesus Christ. I KNEW Jesus Christ and I LOVE Jesus Christ / Yeshua the Messiah. The best way I can explain the difference for me is that prior to that event if you asked me if I believed in Jesus (as so many Baptist witnesses knocking on my door asked me) I would say, “Yes, of coarse, I’m Roman Catholic” and in my mind I would think I sure hope you get the truth because you in error not being Catholic you poor thing. In my heart, I believed that if someone put a gun to my head and threatened to kill me unless I denounced my belief in Jesus I would gladly have said, “SHOOT ME”. I believed in Jesus! I did not know or Love Jesus as I know and love Him today. I believe in Abraham Lincoln. I love Abraham Lincoln for many of the things he did, but I DO NOT KNOW Abraham Lincoln. I know about him. I do not know his humor, his love or joy or warmth. But, if you said, deny Abraham Lincoln was the X President of the United States or I’ll kill you, well if I am not to lie then I’d have to say, “SHOOT ME”. You can believe something and not truly know it. It’s like a child who loses a parent very young. They love their mom or dad, but do they have that experiential knowledge to truly KNOW them? So, you can imagine when all this information came out about these duplicate stories that pre-dated the Gospel story of Jesus, I was a bit confused. I said a simple prayer of, “God, please help me to understand the truth of this.” and I left it there. Then years later the answer came to me.

What they are trying to do is negate the truths of Jesus / Yeshua of Nazareth life and the gift of eternal life through Jesus via their new/old religion of astrotheology. There is not one, let me repeat this, THERE IS NOT ONE SHRED OF EVIDENCE PRIOR TO 150 A.D FOR THEIR MYTHS! Every one of those stories can only be traced back historically to well after the life of Jesus of Nazareth. Now, their stories say these characters or god’s were from x thousand years prior to Jesus, but there is nothing, NOTHING factual prior to 150 AD and they know it. If you challenge them for the proof they give some bull# answer of “It’s in my books, go read them”. They attack you on an emotional ground, and their sycophant followers who desperately want to believe them because they hate Christianity attack you at every turn. Just try going onto a forum and showing these facts to them and watch their sweet Love and Light persona’s fade as their teeth grow three inches, their eyes turn black, and the hatred spews off of them like a heat wave in death valley.




They feel very threatened by the facts presented because they have a new faith in their NEW Religion. They don’t want to even deal with new facts brought to them, and thus they attack any who try to show the truth about “many messiah myths prior to Jesus” is a false teaching . The truth started to slowly trickle out about the lies in Zeitgeist to the point that they had to redo that section. Acharya S. who is one of the main teachers now of Astrotheology changed all her footnotes in her book to obscure foreign books that actually linked back to her original footnotes. Why am I bringing all this up in a David Icke article? Because, I believe he is doing the same thing as Jordon Maxwell, Zeitgeist movie, and other astrotheological teachers. I have a degree in marketing. In sales, we are always taught to get your clients head moving in a “yes” fashion. In other words, say things they will agree with and then slip in the things to move the sale forward.

Now, with ideology it’s not as simple as, “Mr. Smith, you want your car to last a long time right?” Head begins moving up and down. “And, you would like it to get great gas mileage right? More head movement agreeing. “And, you said, that you need it to fit in your budget right?” Head movement and verbal “yes” “So, would you like this red one or blue one?” Mr. Smith says, “Oh, I like the blue one” “That’s great, let me just get some details from you….” and you begin filling out the paperwork. It’s a method of getting them to be open to saying yes, and moving them into action for closing. With David Icke, he is funny, irreverent, and speaks a lot of truth. He puts you at ease that he’s not going to sell you anything by saying things like, “I’m not hear to give you a new belief system” or “You have to make up your own mind, I’m just going to show you things I have researched for thirty years, and it’s up to you to decide”. Well of coarse it’s up to me to decide but so is whether or not you get that car or item X right? Have you never been sold something that you had no intention of buying? I almost bought a Ninja Blender the other night watching the awesome infomercial. I love the thing, but I don’t need it. Imagine if I am at a home party / meeting and they are presenting it with all it’s great do hickies. With all the others sitting around going, “oooooh” and “OH MY, I’ve got to get one of those” you might just as easily be even more swaying into buying one. Then you get it, use it for a month and it begins to collect dust! I don’t want to beat a dead horse here, but I think you are following me.

David Icke in the video below which he says is about “Freeing your mind” is full of this sort of salesmanship. A good con is created in a very real and believable set of events or truths. David does not ever debate with anyone, and uses the typical “I’m not going to argue” or “That’s just silly” or “you’re stuck in an old belief system” or “you’re just not ready to see the truth” rather than actually dealing with the facts presented that challenge his teaching, and yes, he is trying to indoctrinate that audience. He says, “I’m not here to give you a belief system” and then spends hours tearing down things your belief in Christianity and main stream religions. The main focus though is Christianity. This new religion / belief system is the oldest lie repackaged for us that our ancient mother, Eve, fell for, and that is, “You too can be as God”. MORE




posted on Jul, 16 2013 @ 12:51 PM
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Interesting post, I've never been a fan of Ickes if I'm honest...........not quite sure what the image of a horse farting a rainbow has to do with anything though
edit on 16/7/2013 by Argyll because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 16 2013 @ 01:04 PM
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To be fair, Christianity, and many other religions, need to fall for the human race to have a chance to reach it's potential. Now I'm not saying religion is the main problem in the world, the global cabal causes way more problems and violence than religion, but religion is still a major stumbling block to reaching a Star Trek future. I get that Christians feel I am attacking their beliefs, and I am, but not with malicious intent, the intent is for a better future for the human race.



posted on Jul, 16 2013 @ 01:05 PM
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David Icke is just a very savvy businessman who has discovered a way of making large amounts of money from the bewildered and the mentally ill.



posted on Jul, 16 2013 @ 01:56 PM
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I doubt that. Personally, I think he has been presented to the masses - albeit on the fringe - and will serve a purpose at a later date.



posted on Jul, 16 2013 @ 04:00 PM
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Originally posted by Argyll
Interesting post, I've never been a fan of Ickes if I'm honest...........not quite sure what the image of a horse farting a rainbow has to do with anything though
edit on 16/7/2013 by Argyll because: (no reason given)


Well that is my favorite image of those who profess to be all "We are one, and the Galactic Federation of Light is communicating with those of us attuned highly enough that we are to love one another and bring light to the world" and then as soon as you present factual things that challenge their presentations, they grow fangs, their eyes turn black and the truth is they might as well be farting love and light because their true spirit only loves those whose eyes glass over and say, "Oh yes, tell me more or enlightened one".

Yes, I am a bit bitter about those types, but I have had more than enough exposure to them.



posted on Jul, 16 2013 @ 05:34 PM
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Originally posted by UnifiedSerenity

Originally posted by Argyll
Interesting post, I've never been a fan of Ickes if I'm honest...........not quite sure what the image of a horse farting a rainbow has to do with anything though
edit on 16/7/2013 by Argyll because: (no reason given)


Well that is my favorite image of those who profess to be all "We are one, and the Galactic Federation of Light is communicating with those of us attuned highly enough that we are to love one another and bring light to the world" and then as soon as you present factual things that challenge their presentations, they grow fangs, their eyes turn black and the truth is they might as well be farting love and light because their true spirit only loves those whose eyes glass over and say, "Oh yes, tell me more or enlightened one".

Yes, I am a bit bitter about those types, but I have had more than enough exposure to them.


If you bring hate and small mind than the response you get from others is hate and small mind back. You can never go wrong with love and really trying to understand why the other person thinks the way they do.

But be careful about judging. There are many sealed ones here who do not need faith since they have true knowledge and know the real meaning/experiance behind the words in the bible.



posted on Jul, 17 2013 @ 06:07 AM
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Yes that's all very good, but why was the horse farting a rainbow?



posted on Jul, 17 2013 @ 06:12 AM
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David icke is a man who drifts between states of pure genius to pure insanity. Question is when at any instance is her mad or the genius.



posted on Jul, 17 2013 @ 06:47 AM
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wow great thread! if anyone doubts this about old messiah myths check this out...
edit on 17-7-2013 by toddy3174 because: embed vid



posted on Jul, 21 2013 @ 12:18 PM
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Originally posted by AthlonSavage
David icke is a man who drifts between states of pure genius to pure insanity. Question is when at any instance is her mad or the genius.


That is true, but I truly think he is a tool of the master puppeteers. If he brings up truth, all people have to do is say, "Oh he's that guy who thinks the Queen of England is a lizard right?" And the discussion for truth is lost. Same with Alex Jones. "Oh, he's that guy who goes off like a wacko right? He's a nutter, you actually believe him?" and suddenly you are on the defensive trying to explain what's going on all because these tools have played their shtick and mentioned something truthful.

It's disinformation 101 tactics.



posted on Jul, 21 2013 @ 12:28 PM
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I don't follow anyone slavishly, and I don't trust anyone that does. Icke has his faults and he has his qualities, like most people. He's just a bit more forward with his opinions than most.



posted on Jul, 21 2013 @ 12:41 PM
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Originally posted by IvanAstikov
I don't follow anyone slavishly, and I don't trust anyone that does. Icke has his faults and he has his qualities, like most people. He's just a bit more forward with his opinions than most.


I agree that we all have our plus and minus column. The issue I have is the spiritual indoctrination into astrotheology that he does. For those who believe in that stuff without doing deeper research, it sounds true. Once you realize they are cherry picking their sources which post date the time of Jesus then their story falls apart. I listen to both alex and david, but I frequently stop videos and check things out they bring up.

Alex is a plain fear monger who tried to panic the public Dec. 2000 over y2k stuff. We saw the other opportunists do the same with Dec. 21, 2012. Amazing how quiet the David Wilcock types of the world have gone nearly silent since then. They made their money off of it, and now they have to come up with something else. I imagine they will push the "awakening" and astrotheology even more.



posted on Jul, 24 2013 @ 02:30 AM
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So you reckon Davids Ickes a phoney?
What about his theory of the royal family being a descendent of reptilian genes?



posted on Jul, 24 2013 @ 02:45 AM
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Whilst I completely disagree with UnifiedSerenity's account on religion, I respect peoples belief because its something personal, there is no truth when it comes to religion because its objective and different to every individual. I think there is way too much evidence to suggest that most religions borrow and re-use themes, mythology and lessons. This of course doesn't mean they do not somehow have some degree of legitimacy (in fact where religions cross over may actually indicate truth) but I don't see any evidence really of Jesus Christ (as apposed to the Jesus of Nazereth) from having existed at all.

That been said I spent quite a while over on the David Icke forum and website and have watched a number of his videos over the years.

What strikes me as being odd is that he (and Alex Jones for that matter) seem to imply that the world elite believe in 'Satanism' (for want of a better word) yet Icke then supports and promotes the same brand of new-age belief structure that he blames the 'Elite' of believing. Now I'm a pagan myself so I could be called a 'new-ager', but trouble is that most of these people pick and choose what they want to believe and ignore the negative aspects of what they could be doing.

Practice what you preach....

David Icke on the other hand, and his army of lobotomised lemmings is just all about selling books. My gut feeling is that whilst working for the BBC he had a mental breakdown, recovered, and then wondered how to make the best out of a bad situation and has therefore being selling to other unstable people for a while. There is also the possibility (given that he worked for the BBC) that he is also a deliberate plant by some organisation to throw real 'truthers' off the scent.






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