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Originally posted by Grimpachi
Originally posted by Fromabove
People keep getting off track as to what the whole trial was about.
1. Was George Zimmerman defending himself from an attack that he feared could do him serious bodily harm or death?
2. Under the self defense statute of Florida (stand your ground) law, was George Zimmerman's use of deadly force justifiable?
The jury heard the case for and against. Nothing else nattered. And the answer to questions 1 and 2 was yes. Therefore, George Zimmerman could not be found guilty for murder nor manslaughter. And that was the decision.
edit on 17-7-2013 by Fromabove because: (no reason given)
Just so you know SYG is a totally separate issue/statute from self defense.
SYG is an extension of castle doctrine.
Originally posted by xyankee
reply to post by muse7
As it was stated by zimmerman he was not following anyone around he was doing as the dispatch asked and was trying to see what direction he was running. When Zimmerman turned back to go to his truck is when Martin jumped him! If Martin was so afraid of Zimmerman he had well over 4min. that he could have just gone home! But he choose to turn back around and teach the whitie a lesson. It was that choice Martin made that cost him his life!
Originally posted by Fromabove
Originally posted by Grimpachi
Originally posted by Fromabove
People keep getting off track as to what the whole trial was about.
1. Was George Zimmerman defending himself from an attack that he feared could do him serious bodily harm or death?
2. Under the self defense statute of Florida (stand your ground) law, was George Zimmerman's use of deadly force justifiable?
The jury heard the case for and against. Nothing else nattered. And the answer to questions 1 and 2 was yes. Therefore, George Zimmerman could not be found guilty for murder nor manslaughter. And that was the decision.
edit on 17-7-2013 by Fromabove because: (no reason given)
Just so you know SYG is a totally separate issue/statute from self defense.
SYG is an extension of castle doctrine.
Self defense was the issue as it applied to the "SYG" law. Zimmerman had to believe he would be badly injured or threatened with death, and he only had to believe it, he didn't need to actually be suffering it. The use of force was self defense. It was that law that was applied to the case. In the purist form self defense is the direct response to actual conflict. This law however required only the Zimmerman had to "believe" he would be in danger of bodily injury or death.
Originally posted by Willtell
It’s easy and simple.
reply to post by Willtell
Text Do you think juries are always right? Did you think the Ojay verdict was right?
Originally posted by Deetermined
Did you watch or read about the trial?
Tell me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it suggested that Trayvon attacked Zimmerman from behind while he was on the phone with 911 and heading back to his vehicle? Didn't this line up with what was recorded on the 911 call?
Originally posted by Deetermined
Didn't ballistics show that the bullet entered Trayvon's shirt while it was 3" - 4" inches away from his body, as if he was hovering over Zimmerman when he was shot?
Originally posted by Deetermined
Didn't Trayvon make it all the way home before he decided to head back out to go looking for Zimmerman?
This last one I'm not sure about, but I read it a couple of times.
Originally posted by bruteforce13
Originally posted by hounddoghowlie
Graffiti, tardiness to class, Hemp residue.. No armed robberys, no attempted murders, no drive by shootings, no assaults. Lets be fair
Hardly a blood thirsty thug
Ironically were it not for Frances Robles writing a Miami Herald article on March 26th 2012 an entire chain of events would not have taken place. It was that Robles article, and the outlining of the Miami-Dade School Police Department’s report on a Trayvon Martin incident from October 2011, that kicked off an internal investigation by M-DSPD Police Chief Hurley against his own officers to find out who leaked the police report.
Originally posted by Willtell
While Trayvon as an individual being stalked had more proof to himself that Zimmerman was the person with criminal intent (since he was creepily following Trayvon)
Originally posted by NarcolepticBuddha
Originally posted by Willtell
While Trayvon as an individual being stalked had more proof to himself that Zimmerman was the person with criminal intent (since he was creepily following Trayvon)
It seems to me that if you're following someone around with a weapon, you're not acting in self defense...you're hunting. It's not "stand your ground" if you start stalking someone.
Why is it hard to see it this wayedit on 17-7-2013 by NarcolepticBuddha because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by raifordko
Originally posted by NarcolepticBuddha
Originally posted by Willtell
While Trayvon as an individual being stalked had more proof to himself that Zimmerman was the person with criminal intent (since he was creepily following Trayvon)
It seems to me that if you're following someone around with a weapon, you're not acting in self defense...you're hunting. It's not "stand your ground" if you start stalking someone.
Why is it hard to see it this wayedit on 17-7-2013 by NarcolepticBuddha because: (no reason given)
I carry a gun on me at all times, I have a concealed weapons permit. If I use it to defend myself does that mean I was hunting?
Originally posted by NarcolepticBuddha
Originally posted by raifordko
Originally posted by NarcolepticBuddha
Originally posted by Willtell
While Trayvon as an individual being stalked had more proof to himself that Zimmerman was the person with criminal intent (since he was creepily following Trayvon)
It seems to me that if you're following someone around with a weapon, you're not acting in self defense...you're hunting. It's not "stand your ground" if you start stalking someone.
Why is it hard to see it this wayedit on 17-7-2013 by NarcolepticBuddha because: (no reason given)
I carry a gun on me at all times, I have a concealed weapons permit. If I use it to defend myself does that mean I was hunting?
If you're in pursuit of someone, then that's not self-defense anymore.
JMHO
~NBedit on 17-7-2013 by NarcolepticBuddha because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by MystikMushroom
reply to post by hounddoghowlie
His father was a magistrate, no surprise the charges were dropped.
www.abcactionnews.com...
TAMPA - Some viewers on the ABC Action News Facebook page have asked whether George Zimmerman’s father served as a judge. Some have speculated Zimmerman’s father may have used that position to get a 2005 charge against his son thrown out (although, while the charge of assaulting a law enforcement officer was dropped, there is no proof Zimmerman’s father played any role in making that happen). On Wednesday, we decided to answer your questions about what was truth and what was fiction.
www.abcactionnews.com...
“Robert J. Zimmerman served as a full-time magistrate from 2000-2006. Please be advised that in Virginia magistrates are judicial officers, but they are not considered "judges" and do not possess trial jurisdiction. More detailed information on the role of the magistrate in Virginia is available on Virginia's Judicial System Website .”