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Why Zimmerman is Guilty

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posted on Jul, 17 2013 @ 04:01 AM
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No Zimmerman was not doing his job. As a neighbor hood watch participant you are never supposed to confront anyone just call the cops. Now if he was a security guard or an actual police officer then he would have every right to follow and confront Martin. Fact is zimmerman followed Trayvon Martin after being told not to and confronted him. As I carry my firearm legally you have a higher responsibility and one of those responsibilities is to not start fights knowing you have a deadly weapon you are supposed to avoid confrontations not become a vigilantly.

Do I think he should have been convicted? Absouloutly but my opinion doesn't matter and really neither does anyone else's. The court found him not guilty that's the end of that due to lack of evidence. I just don't think he should have approached Martin but when people carry guns around they seem to have no fear.

What I find the most interesting is that Zimmerman was even allowed to carry a firearm. With past Convictions of assault on a police officer, assault on his girlfriend and accusations of rape in his family it's amazing how he can even look at a firearm let along carry one. In Texas you can't get your CHL with so many violent crimes especially assault on a police officer. But I guess the law is more in your favor when your father was a judge.




posted on Jul, 17 2013 @ 04:46 AM
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You do NOT care about Trayvon...big liar...
The truth is you are siething because you didn't get your Democrats way for a change.
ATS knows you are new shill and will deal with you.
My message is to members who f/s your thread. Dem's (rich white socialists) need a permanent underclass for votes to stay in office. Yes, you have your Government checks...but you could of had a manufacturing job the past 5 years...making $60k a year plus company benefits...moved to a home instead of a housing project.
It was Hope and Change you were promised right? Fools...
Obama had no campaing slogan last time, but all you fools screwed yourself again...right?
Do you love misery?
edit on 17-7-2013 by Granite because: add misery part



posted on Jul, 17 2013 @ 04:47 AM
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Again, you are assuming something that has never been shown to have happened. No one ever stated that Zimmerman confronted or attempted to confront Martin. In fact, testimony shows that Martin confronted Zimmerman.

On another note, for all those who keep talking about how old Martin was....do you remember how old the DC Sniper was?



posted on Jul, 17 2013 @ 06:29 AM
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Fact is zimmerman followed Trayvon Martin after being told not to and confronted him.

I feel the need to clean up one point that keeps comming up in this thread.

A police DISPATCH person told GZ not to get out of his car.
NOT a police OFFICER.

It was NOT a police directive.



posted on Jul, 17 2013 @ 06:32 AM
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What was Trayvon convicted of?

Nothing?

Trayvon is an innocent boy.


Who was seen, by a witness who testified during trial, pummeling GZ, sitting atop him right before the trigger was pulled.

I suppose in order for TM to have been found guilty of anything, by your definition, GZ should have allowed TM the opportunity to kill him ...then this trial would have been about a black youth who beat someone to death.

The MSM would have been sooo disappointed since there would not have been anything sensational about that.

Black kids get killed everyday, mostly by other blacks.

Where is your outrage about that?
edit on 17-7-2013 by bbracken677 because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 17 2013 @ 06:46 AM
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Ask yourselves why has it been kept mostly hush hush that Zimmerman's dad was a judge? Most know that his uncle was a sheriff bailiff. He was an insider to the system through his dad the judge and his uncle the bailiff and we all know the system protects its own. That is why Zimmerman was not arrested that night, even though the speculation was the stand your ground, it was his play of the system.

Zimmerman made dozens of calls to 911 and knew the drill. He used them as his pseudo dispatch in his imaginary role as a cop.

I've see plenty of fights along with results of fights and none of Zimmerman's pictures look like he was in a fight. His wounds look staged to me, like he decided if he gave himself a bloody nose and head gash that would fit with his self-defense story which was initially decided to be "stand your ground" by himself or perhaps the cops who coached him.

Think about it, how many of you if say an encounter turned into a killing would bash your head on the ground a couple of times in trade for say 20 years in prison? Yeah, that's exactly what someone would do when coached prior or right after the event. People lie all the time about car accidents just to get out of insurance problems, it's easier to lie to not have to spend the best part of your life in prison.

The prosecution was just a show in my opinion. Yeah, they called him a want a be cop to make themselves look like they were pulling out all the stops.

I would be less surprised if one of the resident witnesses helped, coached or lied for Zimmerman. It's not like Martin or anyone could challenge them.

It was apparent to me that the screams died when the shot rang out, had it been Zimmerman it would of lasted for at least a moment after the shot. So, Zimmerman's family all lied about the scream.

After hearing the juror interview clips, I think the jury was hand picked stupid tv babies who both sides knew would look out for Zimmerman.

Nope I don't think Zimmerman is the guy that gun rights advocates want in their corner because I think he and folks like him will be the turning point where many will change sides and decide enough with them. Guns will eventually be the target along with your rights to have them. Who wants people to have guns, when they're used legally against kids armed with skittles?



edit on 7/17/13 by verylowfrequency because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 17 2013 @ 07:29 AM
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So can we let this die down? Zimmerman was exonerated, and the 3 ring circus is over. It was proven self defense and the defense attourney did his job. The media set out to crucify Zimmerman from the beginning to make him look like a white supremacist and he was Hispanic. This whole time the media has been tooting the racism horn and it wasn't even about that. Obama then turned around and made a big to-do about getting personally invested in this case, sticking his nose where it doesn't belong and due process went out the window, everyone had Zimmerman guilty on the first day they laid eyes on him. The U.S. is getting more fascist by the day.

And when Zimmerman is exonerated, naturally Black America goes on a riot, throwing a tantrum, destroying things, burning things, clogging up a freeway etc. I never really believed mankind originated from monkeys, but based on the behavior of some folks, I might have to rethink that because this turned has into a zoo.



posted on Jul, 17 2013 @ 07:43 AM
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Originally posted by lonewolf19792000


And when Zimmerman is exonerated, naturally Black America goes on a riot, throwing a tantrum, destroying things, burning things, clogging up a freeway etc. I never really believed mankind originated from monkeys, but based on the behavior of some folks, I might have to rethink that because this turned has into a zoo.


Wow, now that i think of it,. rappers do jump up and down alot during their shows and videos
beat their chests.... hmmmm

where is MLK when you need a sane voice to calm the natives..



posted on Jul, 17 2013 @ 07:51 AM
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GZ’s testimony came into the trial through his self serving statements to the police and his interview with Sean Hannity


Which was a MAJOR screw up by the state of FL. They allowed GZ to present his side if the story twice without taking the witness stand to be cross examined. Massive error on their part. Then to top it off, their own witnesses they called to the stand corroborated GZ's account of that night. The case never should have been brought to trial. They had to fire a police chief, lead investigator and a head detective, then shop for a prosecutor who bypassed a grand jury and filed an incomplete and unethical affidavit just to get a trial.


edit on 17-7-2013 by NOTurTypical because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 17 2013 @ 07:54 AM
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Originally posted by samkent
reply to post by Trubl
 




Fact is zimmerman followed Trayvon Martin after being told not to and confronted him.

I feel the need to clean up one point that keeps comming up in this thread.

A police DISPATCH person told GZ not to get out of his car.
NOT a police OFFICER.

It was NOT a police directive.



And that same dispatcher testified to this at trial. People are so grasping at any straw they can.



posted on Jul, 17 2013 @ 07:58 AM
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And the president never should have opened his mouth either
what anti zim protesters cant get past is this Happens daily in the black community
Drive by shootings, assaults, thefts, rapes.. EVERY DAY



posted on Jul, 17 2013 @ 07:58 AM
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Problem is GZ did not confront TM, he followed him to know his whereabouts for the police. After losing GZ's tail, TM waited for him to head back to his truck and ambushed and assaulted him, pinned him to the ground and began to pummel him with numerous punches. This was corroborated by the state's own eyewitness to the altercation.

You're entitled to your own opinion sure, but you're certainly not entitled to your own facts.


edit on 17-7-2013 by NOTurTypical because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 17 2013 @ 08:01 AM
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Originally posted by Lil Drummerboy
reply to post by NOTurTypical
 

And the president never should have opened his mouth either
what anti zim protesters cant get past is this Happens daily in the black community
Drive by shootings, assaults, thefts, rapes.. EVERY DAY


27 black youth were murdered in Chicago over July 4th weekend and non of these bleeding heart liberals or race pimps have mentioned it once. Their hypocrisy is astounding.



posted on Jul, 17 2013 @ 08:02 AM
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What I find the most interesting is that Zimmerman was even allowed to carry a firearm. With past Convictions of assault on a police officer, assault on his girlfriend



In 2005, Zimmerman, then 20, was arrested and charged with “resisting officer with violence” and “battery of law enforcement officer,” both which are third-degree felonies. The charge was reduced to “resisting officer without violence” and then waived when he entered an alcohol education program. Contemporaneous accounts indicate he shoved an officer who was questioning a friend for alleged underage drinking at an Orange County bar.

usnews.nbcnews.com...


No conviction for assaulting an officer



In August 2005, Zimmerman’s ex-fiancee, Veronica Zuazo, filed a civil motion for a restraining order alleging domestic violence. Zimmerman counterfiled for a restraining order against Zuazo. The competing claims were resolved with both restraining orders being granted.


No conviction

Questionable actions but it must not have been enough to deny him a permit.



posted on Jul, 17 2013 @ 08:04 AM
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Which was a MAJOR screw up by the state of FL. They allowed GZ to present his side if the story twice without taking the witness stand to be cross examined. Massive error on their part


It is known as the 5th amendment. Far from a screw up. It's a person's right.



posted on Jul, 17 2013 @ 08:09 AM
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Originally posted by roadgravel
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Which was a MAJOR screw up by the state of FL. They allowed GZ to present his side if the story twice without taking the witness stand to be cross examined. Massive error on their part


It is known as the 5th amendment. Far from a screw up. It's a person's right.


I said the screw up was on the state, not GZ's defense team. They allowed his testimony Into evidence twice without the ability to cross examine him.



posted on Jul, 17 2013 @ 08:18 AM
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The OJ verdict was right because a Jury listened to the evidence and returned a verdict of Not Guilty just as the Jury has done in the Zimmerman case. There is no injustice in a verdict from a legitimate Jury verdict...we may not agree with that verdict but 12 people came to that decision and it is the way our systems works...one person with a hypothetical theory based on assumptions is not how the Jury systems work...I suppose we could just automatically find people guilty based solely on the individual being accused and arrested for a crime as many do.



posted on Jul, 17 2013 @ 08:38 AM
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According to the school police investigator, Trayvon’s backpack contained 12 pieces of jewelry, in addition to a watch, a large flathead screwdriver, silver wedding bands and earrings with diamonds.

Read more:[url= globalgrind.com...



posted on Jul, 17 2013 @ 08:41 AM
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Without the police report and reenactment, they may have been able to prove manslaughter.

The person was dead and his gun was used. Would they be able to place him there and he used his gun. Probably. The man that took the pictures of GZ basically places him there with the gun,

I think they really wanted the murder2 so they wanted it his words and actions to try prove depraved mind. Had they went without it and a lessor charge would the jury have put less weight on self defense? What do you think?

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Assuming they could keep the evidence out.
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posted on Jul, 17 2013 @ 08:44 AM
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Originally posted by MichaelPMaccabee

Trayvon Martin could have very well thought his life was in danger.



Yes, and this is why he told Jeantel that he was going to confront the "creepy ass cracka".

This is why he hurried home. Wait...he didn't.

He had 4 1/2 minutes to hurry home, as established in a court of law, but chose not to. Rather, he chose to confront GZ. This became TM on top of GZ pummeling him, as established in court beyond doubt.

These are not the actions of someone who fears for their life.
These are not the actions of an "innocent child". Get real!



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